Indonesia as a New Democratic Power

Jangan terlalu senang dengan pujian dr pihak lain, belum tentu itu sesuai dengan keadaan dalam negeri.
emang kita nomor tiga dunia dalam demokrasi setelah AS dan India. Tapi apa benar demokrasi kita sesuai dengan UUD'45 dan Pancasila?
Dalam pelajaran Kewarganegaraan mang disebut dr thn 65-skrg kita menganut demokrasi pancasila, kenyataan...???
Jaman Soeharto kita terkekang dalam kebebasan publik, Setelah soeharto lengser kita malah kebablasan bebas.
Negara yang besar adlah negara yang belajar pada sejarah, tapi sejarah indonesia gak jelas. yang ditulis dlam buku pelajaran belum g semuanya sesuai dengan sejarah.
Bukannya gue g bangga jadi orang Indonesia. Tapi alangkah baiknya klo perubahan itu dimulai dari yang paling dasar dulu. Misalnya segi Mental, emang KKN g mungkin bebas tp orang atas yg harusnya bersih mlh isinya cuma korupsi, kekerasan dalam sidang.
Trs hukum indonesia lemah bgt, klo ada aparat yang kena kasus pasti urusannya cuma ngalor-ngidul ga jelas.
SOOO...........
Indonesia Thn 2010 mau jadi apa????????
Kita Lihat Perkembangan + Hasil Pemilu 2009.....................

Pertama apa lu udah baca semua isi thread ini?

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Jangan terlalu senang dengan pujian dr pihak lain, belum tentu itu sesuai dengan keadaan dalam negeri.

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Justru media massa kita selalu menyiarkan yang buruk-buruk saja, tawuran diliput, pelajar bakti sosial ga diliput.

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emang kita nomor tiga dunia dalam demokrasi setelah AS dan India. Tapi apa benar demokrasi kita sesuai dengan UUD'45 dan Pancasila?

Dalam pelajaran Kewarganegaraan mang disebut dr thn 65-skrg kita menganut demokrasi pancasila, kenyataan...???

Jaman Soeharto kita terkekang dalam kebebasan publik, Setelah soeharto lengser kita malah kebablasan bebas.

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Pertama, demokrasi kita adalah guided democracy, guidenya Pancasila. Sekarang bukan terlalu bebas, tapi sedang masa transisi menuju kestabilan.

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Negara yang besar adlah negara yang belajar pada sejarah, tapi sejarah indonesia gak jelas. yang ditulis dlam buku pelajaran belum g semuanya sesuai dengan sejarah.

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Iya, tapi apa itu berarti kalo ada bagian sejarah yang blank sama sekali ga bisa maju? Tirai misteri pelan-pelan akan diungkap, makanya ke forum world mystries.

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Bukannya gue g bangga jadi orang Indonesia. Tapi alangkah baiknya klo perubahan itu dimulai dari yang paling dasar dulu. Misalnya segi Mental, emang KKN g mungkin bebas tp orang atas yg harusnya bersih mlh isinya cuma korupsi, kekerasan dalam sidang.
Trs hukum indonesia lemah bgt, klo ada aparat yang kena kasus pasti urusannya cuma ngalor-ngidul ga jelas.
SOOO...........
Indonesia Thn 2010 mau jadi apa????????
Kita Lihat Perkembangan + Hasil Pemilu 2009.....................

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let's see in 2009, tp makin lama makin membaek kok, makanya pertanyaan saya, sudah baca semua thread ini blon?

OECD: Indonesia re-enters the club of fast growing economies

Riyadi Suparno , The Jakarta Post , Paris | Fri, 03/20/2009 1:10 PM | Headlines

After sinking deep during the financial crisis, Indonesia has now entered the club of the world's fastest growing economies, but it needs further economic reforms and liberalization to gain more from international trade.

The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), in its latest report "Globalization and Emerging Economies" released in Geneva on Thursday, includes Indonesia among the world's best performing large developing economies.

Indonesia now sits alongside Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, in a group the OECD calls BRIICS.

"The inclusion of Indonesia into BRIICS is a recognition of the importance and size of the country, the situation relative to OECD member countries, and the desire of OECD countries to engage in it more closely," Douglas Lippoldt, acting head of the Development Division at the Trade and Agricultural Directorate of the OECD.

Des Alwi, an official at the Indonesian embassy in Paris, said the inclusion of Indonesia into BRIICS puts Indonesia back on the global radar as a future economic powerhouse following the financial crisis.

He also said the inclusion acts as recognition of Indonesia's relatively fast recovery from the severe financial crisis of the late 1990s.

The report said while Indonesia had not yet recovered to pre-crisis levels of growth, the national economy had done very admirably considering the sharp depreciation of the rupiah and the rise of oil prices.

The biggest drawback is Indonesia's international trade, which has been declining in proportion to its gross domestic product and global trade, as well as new constraints on business in the country. The increasing rigidity of the labor market, in particular, is of big concern.

Before the crisis, Indonesia's international trade had long been a key catalyst for growth, but since the crisis trade has played a much smaller role. The emergence of new competitors, or the fact the severity of the crisis affected the ability of firms to trade, could be two reasons for this change. Another factor is that Indonesia, which has the lowest tariff levels among the BRIICS nations, has become less open to international trade. The nation has been raising tariff barriers for agriculture, textiles and steel products. Since 2001, new non-tariff barriers have emerged and creeping protectionism has set in.

In addition, the recovery of the economy has not spread equally across sectors. Growth has been strongest in capital-intensive services, while labor intensive primary and manufacturing sectors are experiencing sluggish growth. This results in persistently higher unemployment.

High unemployment has also been attributed to the increasingly rigid labor market, where hiring and firing has become more expensive for businesses.

Indonesia, therefore, needs to continue deeply integrating into the world market and improve the investment climate to boost its attractiveness as a global production base. This way, with the momentum of high growth being sustained, it will remain relevant to the global economy.

As Indonesia becomes significantly more important economically on the world stage, the OECD has adopted an "enhanced engagement" process with the BRIICS countries, with the view being they will eventually become members.

OECD Secretary General Angel Gurria said that engaging Indonesia and other BRIICS countries was important for the OECD to maintain its relevance.

OECD countries' share in global trade has declined for several decades to just 60 percent, while the BRIICS countries' shares has increased to 30 percent.

"If we are not engaging BRIICS nations, we run the danger of becoming less and less relevant," Gurria told journalists from BRIICS countries at his office Thursday.

"Whether you are going to be a member or not, we say we are representing 60 percent *of global trade* and working closely with the other 30 percent, and therefore, we remain a relevant organization."

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...economies.html

BRIICS! http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

hmm tanya dong:
Indonesia...
dari segi mana anda melihat positifnya Indonesia ?
(Politik ?Hukum?Ekonomi? HanKam?SosBud? dll dll)
kalo gua sendiri seneng ama Indoensia karena:
1.Budayanya :
Jelas nomor satu, kesenian daerah terutama, alat2 musiknya, seni2 tarinya (yang bentar lagi akan dihapuskan oleh UU konyol)
2.Alamnya:
Yoi lah Pantai, Pegunungan, flora and fauna.(yang kayaknya makin lama makin habis)
Selain 2 diatas kayaknya hancur berantakan yah (mari kita lihat kenyataan):
1.Politik
Pancasila?Demokrasi? boleh dikatakan prinsip2 yang sangat sangat sangat sempurna tanpa cacat. Tapi lihat penerapanya pada kenyataanya(penyalah gunaan dimana2). Kalo aku bilang Indonesia belum siap make 2 hal luar biasa itu.
2. Hukum
Wakakakakaka
3.Ekonomi.
-Perasaan dari krismon ampe sekarang (boleh dikatakan setelah saat2 krismon) kurs $ amerika ga pernah melemah tuh.naiiiikkkk terus malahan.Rupiahnya????
-Gaji seorang sarjana S1 Indonesia, ga ada setengahnya gaji cleaning service nya luar negeri (kenyataan)cek2 aja web. Ini bener2 GA LAYAK
4.Pertahanan &Keamanan
hmmm kurang mengikuti hal ini sekarang,yang paling teringat ya dapet pesawat bekas dari negaara lain udah gitu di cut spare partnya ga bisa apa2 awkawkawkakw ama *** bali.

Bukan aku pesimis, bukanya aku ga pede, Aku juga pengen liat Indonesia bisa BENER, itu aja. Tapi ampe kapan?

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1.Politik
Pancasila?Demokrasi? boleh dikatakan prinsip2 yang sangat sangat sangat sempurna tanpa cacat. Tapi lihat penerapanya pada kenyataanya(penyalah gunaan dimana2). Kalo aku bilang Indonesia belum siap make 2 hal luar biasa itu.
2. Hukum
Wakakakakaka

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Ini wajib dibenahi.

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3.Ekonomi.
-Perasaan dari krismon ampe sekarang (boleh dikatakan setelah saat2 krismon) kurs $ amerika ga pernah melemah tuh.naiiiikkkk terus malahan.Rupiahnya????

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Kurs untuk menentukan maju tidaknya suatu negara??? Ingat Yen Jepang???

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-Gaji seorang sarjana S1 Indonesia, ga ada setengahnya gaji cleaning service nya luar negeri (kenyataan)cek2 aja web. Ini bener2 GA LAYAK

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Dihitung juga dong biaya hidupnya disana -_-

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4.Pertahanan &Keamanan
hmmm kurang mengikuti hal ini sekarang,yang paling teringat ya dapet pesawat bekas dari negaara lain udah gitu di cut spare partnya ga bisa apa2

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ehem, kita punya IPTN, dan juga karena embargo itu ada sisi positifnya: bisa bikin roket sendiri, senjata sendiri, PINDAD, dll.

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awkawkawkakw ama *** bali.

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bom2an udah gak kedengaran lagi tuh akhir2 ini, lgpl sumbernya dari malaysia.

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yang bentar lagi akan dihapuskan oleh UU konyol

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Hah?? UU apaan? pornografi maksud loe? disitu ada pengecualian buat budaya boleh!

Boleh nambahin ya, Mengenai hukum sekarang sudah ada yg namanya KPK dan mudah2an anggota legislatif yg baru bisa meneruskan PR dari anggota legislatif yg lama yaitu mensahkan UU KPK, selain itu sekarang ada yg namanya Mahkamah Konstitusi dimana apabila ada UU yang berlaku dan menjadi perdebatan bisa di tanyakan di Mahkamah tsb tanpa dipungut biaya.

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1.Politik
Pancasila?Demokrasi? boleh dikatakan prinsip2 yang sangat sangat sangat sempurna tanpa cacat. Tapi lihat penerapanya pada kenyataanya(penyalah gunaan dimana2). Kalo aku bilang Indonesia belum siap make 2 hal luar biasa itu.

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Soeharto sebelum meninggal mengatakan kepada Megawati untuk menerapkan nilai2 pancasila. Jawaban pertanyaan anda adalah, 30 tahun pancasila belum diterapkan.

Bila anda melihat Indonesia saat ini belum siap, itu karena mereka tidak menyadari bahwa filosofi negara kita adalah filosofi yang sangat indah.

@sariayu
-yakin ingin membandingkan Jepang ama Indonesia?
-"Gaji seorang sarjana S1 Indonesia, ga ada setengahnya gaji cleaning service nya luar negeri (kenyataan)cek2 aja web. Ini bener2 GA LAYAK". Yang aku ngmongin ini "bersih" loh yah. bahkan kalo dihitung2 lebih detail bisa lebih lagi.
-Yah gua kurang menambahkan pendidikan. Jos nek yang ini. Juara Olimpiade Fisika apa Matematika lupa aku. terus juara 1 di inggris teknologi ramah lingkungan yang pake enceng gondok itu( coba semua orang isa kek gitu, niatnya aja dulu)

Alo 2 coba baca ini
http://www.kapanlagi.com/h/jackie-ch...demokrasi.html
kalo dah baca, mari berpikir bersama....

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@sariayu
-yakin ingin membandingkan Jepang ama Indonesia?
-"Gaji seorang sarjana S1 Indonesia, ga ada setengahnya gaji cleaning service nya luar negeri (kenyataan)cek2 aja web. Ini bener2 GA LAYAK". Yang aku ngmongin ini "bersih" loh yah. bahkan kalo dihitung2 lebih detail bisa lebih lagi.
-Yah gua kurang menambahkan pendidikan. Jos nek yang ini. Juara Olimpiade Fisika apa Matematika lupa aku. terus juara 1 di inggris teknologi ramah lingkungan yang pake enceng gondok itu( coba semua orang isa kek gitu, niatnya aja dulu)

Alo 2 coba baca ini
http://www.kapanlagi.com/h/jackie-ch...demokrasi.html
kalo dah baca, mari berpikir bersama....

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CMIIW Gan, kalau mau ngebandingin gaji antara dua negara mesti lihat biaya hidupnya. Kalau hanya melihat besarannya apalagi setelah kurs nilai tukarnya ya jelas2 aja timpang, anda gak usah jauh2 ngebandingin ama jepang, TKI/TKW aja juga sudah beda gajinya. Jangan lupa juga jam kerjanya dihitung gan.
Intinya sih kalau memperbandingkan sesuatu itu harus dilihat secara menyeluruh bukan dari satu sisi, biar terlihat jelas perbedaannya dimana.
Nah kalo anda bilang hitung2an detailnya bisa yah silahkan dipaparkan disini biar kita sama2 lihat. Monggo.......

kalo mo itung2an soal gaji, ga cuma uang yg di dapatkan, pertimbangin jam kerja,tuntutan profesionalitas,biaya hidup. bnyk parameter yg harus dipertimbangkan.....
tp memang kerja di luar negeri lebih menggiurkan......:p

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@sariayu
-yakin ingin membandingkan Jepang ama Indonesia?
-"Gaji seorang sarjana S1 Indonesia, ga ada setengahnya gaji cleaning service nya luar negeri (kenyataan)cek2 aja web. Ini bener2 GA LAYAK". Yang aku ngmongin ini "bersih" loh yah. bahkan kalo dihitung2 lebih detail bisa lebih lagi.
-Yah gua kurang menambahkan pendidikan. Jos nek yang ini. Juara Olimpiade Fisika apa Matematika lupa aku. terus juara 1 di inggris teknologi ramah lingkungan yang pake enceng gondok itu( coba semua orang isa kek gitu, niatnya aja dulu)

Alo 2 coba baca ini
http://www.kapanlagi.com/h/jackie-ch...demokrasi.html
kalo dah baca, mari berpikir bersama....

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"It has been said, that democracy is the worst form of government, except for the others that have been tried" ~ Winston Churchill.

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@sariayu
-yakin ingin membandingkan Jepang ama Indonesia?
-"Gaji seorang sarjana S1 Indonesia, ga ada setengahnya gaji cleaning service nya luar negeri (kenyataan)cek2 aja web. Ini bener2 GA LAYAK". Yang aku ngmongin ini "bersih" loh yah. bahkan kalo dihitung2 lebih detail bisa lebih lagi.

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Buat Makan di luar negeri gaji segitu jg udah bisa abis.



Gue merinding baca semua artikel ini, rasanya ingin berpartisipasi untuk ikut membangun negeri

Ayo optimis dan Semangat!!!

Boom Times Are Back
Just not here in the United States.

http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/0...CTWZakaria.jpg

It is becoming increasingly clear that the story of the global economy is a tale of two worlds. In one, there is only gloom and doom, and in the other there is light and hope. In the traditional bastions of wealth and power—America, Europe and Japan—it is difficult to find much good news. But there is a new world out there—China, India, Indonesia, Brazil—in which economic growth continues to power ahead, in which governments are not buried under a mountain of debt and in which citizens remain remarkably optimistic about their future. This divergence, between the once rich and the once poor, might mark a turn in history.


Over the past six months, much conventional wisdom about the economy has been discredited. The old experts who spoke with confidence about unending global growth—the boomsters—have been debunked. But the new pundits of pessimism—the doomsters—have demonstrated a similar hubris, ignoring any evidence that might complicate their story. Six months ago, stock markets around the world swooned in unison as the American financial system seemed on the verge of collapse. This led many to conclude that the emerging economies of Asia and Latin America had been growing only because of their exports to America and Europe; that they obviously had no independent strengths of their own and would in all likelihood collapse faster and more furiously than the sophisticated economies of the West. After all, these were Third World countries.

But a funny thing happened on the way to a global depression. Once the panic that seized all global markets abated—because it became clear the world was not going to end—there began a fascinating and disparate recovery. The American stock market, after six plummeting months, has rebounded, so that the S&P 500 is roughly where it started the year, as is the London FTSE. Japanese stocks have fared better, up nearly 7 percent.

Around the globe, though, markets are humming. China's Shanghai index is up 45 percent, India's Sensex is up 44 percent, Brazil's Bovespa is up 38 percent and the Indonesia index is up 32 percent. Now, stock markets don't tell the whole story, but the reason many of these are rising is that the underlying economies of most of these countries are still registering significant growth. The evidence abounds. In April, India's car sales were 4.2 percent higher than they were a year prior. Retail sales rose 15 percent in China in the first quarter of 2009. China is likely to grow at 7 or 8 percent this year, India at 6 percent and Indonesia at 4 percent. These numbers are not just robust but astonishing when you line them up against those in the developed world. The U.S. economy contracted at an annual rate of 6.1 percent last quarter, Europe by 9.6 percent and Japan by a frightening 15 percent, something that truly does begin to rival the 1930s.

Compare the two worlds. On the one side is the West (plus Japan), with banks that are overleveraged and thus dysfunctional, governments groaning under debt, and consumers who are rebuilding their broken balance sheets. America is having trouble selling its IOUs at attractive prices (the last three Treasury auctions have gone badly); its largest state, California, is veering toward total fiscal collapse; and its budget deficit is going to surpass 13 percent of GDP—a level last seen during World War II. With all these burdens, even if there is a recovery, the United States might not return to fast-paced growth for a while. And it's probably more dynamic than Europe or Japan.

Meanwhile, emerging-market banks are largely healthy and profitable. (Every Indian bank, government-owned and private, posted profits in the last quarter of 2008!) The governments are in good fiscal shape. China's strengths are well known—$2 trillion in reserves, a budget deficit that is less than 3 percent of GDP—but consider Brazil, which is now posting a current account surplus. Or Indonesia, which has reduced its debt from 100 percent of GDP nine years ago to 30 percent today. And unlike in the West—where governments have run out of ammunition and are now praying that their medicine will work—these countries still have options. Only a year ago, their chief concern was an overheated economy and inflation. Brazil has cut its interest rate substantially, but only to 10.25 percent, which means it can drop it further if things deteriorate even more.

The mood in many of these countries remains surprisingly upbeat. Their currencies are appreciating against the dollar because the markets see them as having better fiscal discipline as well as better long-term growth prospects than the United States. Their bonds are rising. This combination of indicators, all pointing in the same direction, is unprecedented.

The United States remains the richest and most powerful country in the world. Its military spans the globe. But from the Spanish Empire of the 16th century to the British Empire in the 20th century, great global powers have always found that their fortunes begin to turn when they get overburdened with debt and stuck in a path of slow growth. These are early warnings. Unless the United States gets its act together, and fast, the ground will continue to shift beneath its feet, slowly but surely.

Zakaria hosts CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS. His paperback, The Post-American World, is a New York Times bestseller.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/200049

Mat hebat ke! Maju terus Indonesia!

BRIC Should Include Indonesia, Morgan Stanley Says

By Arijit Ghosh

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?p...d=iU.YwoeeUoy0

June 15 (Bloomberg) -- Indonesia’s economic growth may accelerate to 7 percent starting in 2011, providing a case for its inclusion in the so-called BRIC economies along with Brazil, Russia, India and China, Morgan Stanley said.

Political stability and buoyant domestic demand will help boost expansion in the $433 billion economy, Morgan Stanley said in a report dated June 12 that compares Indonesia with India. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is expected to win the July 8 elections, polls show.

“What this means for the investor community is that they need to look at this asset class more seriously,” Chetan Ahya, a Singapore-based economist at Morgan Stanley, said in an interview today. Political stability, improved government finances and “a natural advantage from demography and commodity resources are likely to unleash Indonesia’s growth potential,” he said.

Southeast Asia’s largest economy may grow 60 percent in the next five years to $800 billion due to a stable administration, lower capital costs and a government plan to spend as much as $34 billion to build roads, ports and power plants by 2017, Morgan Stanley said. Leaders of the nations known as BRIC will meet this week in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg.

Indonesia may expand as much as 4 percent this year, making it the fastest-growing major economy in Southeast Asia, according to the International Monetary Fund. Morgan Stanley expects 3.7 percent growth this year.

Economic growth of 7 percent starting in 2011 is “possible and achievable,” Finance Minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati told reporters in Jakarta today.

Presidential Election

Yudhoyono may win an overall majority in next month’s election, avoiding the need for a second round of voting in September, polls show. Yudhoyono’s Democrat party won more than 25 percent of seats in parliamentary elections this year, becoming the only party to be able to nominate a presidential candidate without seeking outside support.

The 2009 parliamentary election results “suggest continued stability in this democratic political framework and is a critical factor in unleashing Indonesia’s growth potential,” Ahya said. “Coincidently, the India story has also recently been given a fillip from the strong political mandate of the Congress-led coalition in the 2009 general elections.”

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s Congress party won the most seats in parliament since 1991 in results announced last month.

Higher Education

Indonesia still lags behind the BRIC economies in the quality of higher education, which is “crucial in moving the economy up the value-added ladder,” Ahya said in the Morgan Stanley report.

“We still have a problem with the supply side, especially infrastructure and human capital,” said Destry Damayanti, chief economist at PT Mandiri Sekuritas in Jakarta. The nation may not be able to exceed 7 percent economic growth starting 2011 until the investment and education infrastructure is upgraded, Damayanti said.

Leaders of the BRIC nations may use their first summit on June 16 to press the case that their 15 percent share of the world economy and 42 percent of global currency reserves should give them more influence over policies.

Developing countries say their votes in the IMF, founded at the end of World War II to promote global trade, don’t reflect the shift in economic power. Brazil, the world’s 10th-largest economy, has 1.38 percent of the IMF board’s votes, less than 2.09 percent for Belgium, an economy one-third the size.

The BRICs may overtake the combined $30.2 trillion gross domestic product of the Group of Seven nations by 2027, Jim O’Neill, the London-based Goldman Sachs Group Inc. chief economist who coined the term for the four countries in a 2001 report, has said. That is a decade sooner than he had forecast earlier.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=an1qRcALOx0k

Mat hebat ke! Indonesia boleh!