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intinya sadar diri lah.
merasa gay? ketika lahir anda adalah laki2, bukan gay, knp sekarang harus gay? think it
tersinggung dengan candaan gay? pernah ga, maki orang *****, autis, bodoh, kebun binatang dll? lebih tersinggung mana ?
empati ama gay? kesian iya, empati mah amit2...ga ada orang yang ditakdirkan sebagai gay, itu pilihan lu sendiri. berani memilih, berani nanggung resiko
IQ jongkok/tengkurap? beda2 tipis lah ama yang nulis :llaugh:
@atas: pedas sekali kata2 anda kakak..
:powh:
tiba2 kumat lage eneh...
Top Markotop Gan :Sip:Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
ini baru no cure. wakakaka~Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
Ini c lbh parah dr gw jelas!
sembah aja deh yang keq gini .. wakakaka~
....
:pbow:
luapan esmosi aja itu. baru tadi gw baca baek2 post pertama...
ada kata2 IQ jongkok dll
WTF, apa pangkat lu ngejudge orang seperti itu :pmad: :ptd:
klo gw blg, lebih sakit hati orang yang punya temen/keluarga ***** autis trus denger orang bercanda pake kata2 tersebut.
orang autis/***** mana ngerti mereka dijadikan bahan candaan? orang autis/***** mana pernah bisa milih, mereka maw jadi orang normal atau autis/*****?
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Originally Posted by 3agl3one
Sorry gw menyinggung lo..
gw gak nyangka lo marah..
maaf.. harusnya gw tau lo sampe emosi gini karena IQ lo juga tengku..
eh hampir saja saya kelepasan lagi! gila!
maaf ya.. jangan tersinggung.. :psmile:
pangkat gw di Forum Moderator yang gak gila jabatan.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
Pangkat gw dikerjaan males gw sebutin karena kong kalikong soalnya yang punya Kenal gw.
pangkat gw di negara ini warga negara yang baik.
dan gw bebas bilang orang IQ jongkok Tiarap dan lain2
karena gw udah bilang baik2
Antara 2 kan.Quote:
Gay itu gak lucu!
Selera humor lo rendah! atau TINGKAT INTELEGENSIA ANDA MERANGKAK
selera humor lo rendah atau Tingkat intelegensia lo rendah.
Kalau lo gak merasa ***** berarti selera humor lo rendah.
Jangan sotoy deh tau2 bacot, baca aja gak bisa di analisa tau2 nyap2 kayak orang betul
macem dirinya aja udah straight. kalau gw berhak maki2 orang karena gw merasa itu yang gw anggap benar
kalau elu udah salah baca sotoy **** lagi.
"Eh maaf ini luapan emosi"
apa kata dubur lo aja deh
Tambahan
gw gak akan berargumen lebih lanjut dengan lo.
Mungkin benar lo Bukan orang yang dengan IQ dibawah rata2
tapi sudah jelas dari gaya bahasa lo kalau lo gak cukup intelek.
gw sombong? emang.
gw RESPECT sama orang yang patut gw berikan RESPECT.
bukan sama orang yang gak ada angin ba bi bu tau2 ngomong:
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IQ jongkok/tengkurap? beda2 tipis lah ama yang nulis http://www.indogamers.com/images/smilies/hahaha.gif
makin kesel gw sama banyak orang sotoy yang dengan pedenya bilang gay itu pilihan2 bla2
lo seperti ngomong sesuatu yang lo belum pernah ngalamin, tau gak itu namanya apa? Mencret!
Semua orang bisa ngomong dan ujung2nya cuman jadi Wacana.
kalau lo gak mau Empati. i dont care **** head
Lesbian doesnt make people become less-beingQuote:
empati ama gay? kesian iya, empati mah amit2...ga ada orang yang ditakdirkan sebagai gay, itu pilihan lu sendiri. berani memilih, berani nanggung resiko
I can only say, I agreed 100% to TS, dan semua post setelahnya by TS.
ckckck
Lu pikir semua orang yang maen di forum itu menunjukkan 100% citra mereka di real dik?
you're wrong...
sekali lagi gw blg, gw berbicara/bertutur kata, menyesuaikan dengan tata bahasa orang yang saya ajak bicara :pgrin:
orang ngomong kasar, knp gw ga bisa kasar :pgrin:
ada peribahasa/pepatah/petuah/kata orang bijak "jika engkau ditampar pipi kirimu, berikan pipi kananmu" :ptu:
sayangnya gw ga bisa seperti itu :psad:
gw ditampar, klo gw salah it's okay, tapi klo nga, ya gw balas tampar aja :laxe:
lu ga suka orang canda "gay"? ya silahkan lu ngomong ke orang yang ga lu sukai.
gw kira, lu udah pernah baca thread na rix777
http://www.indogamers.com/f315/untuk...kritik-117577/
jgn pernah memprotes/mengkritik orang secara general !!!
gw udah pernah melakukan hal itu , dan gw tahu hasilnya = 0 besar
gw tersinggung? ya iya lah. gw suka canda2an ama temen2 gw about "GAY"
dan itu murni candaan, tanpa ada maksud menghina pihak2 tertentu :pbow:
knp bukan orang yang tersinggung yang ngungkapin kekesalan mereka, gw lebih bisa menerima, apapun cacian yang dia lontarkan
elu "GAY" ya? klo iya, gw minta maaf sekarang, gw delete post gw, gw akan search semua post gw yg ada kata2 "GAY" nya... gw hapus.
tapi klo elu pria normal, maaf2 saja, lu ga ada hak untuk men-judge orang lain... periksa kembali tata bahasamu !!!
bahkan kadang gw kelepasan candain orang "*****/autis"
pdhl gw tahu, itu jauh lebih menyakitkan. orang *****/autis tahu klo mereka dicandain? they don't know.
mereka tahu klo mereka autis/*****? mereka ga tahu !!! mereka pernah dikasih kesempatan untuk milih? sekali lagi jawabannya tidak :psad:
emang "GAY" itu pilihan !!!!Quote:
makin kesel gw sama banyak orang sotoy yang dengan pedenya bilang gay itu pilihan2 bla2
lo seperti ngomong sesuatu yang lo belum pernah ngalamin, tau gak itu namanya apa? Mencret!
coba kasih 1 bukti, klo ada laki2 yang sejak dilahirkan, dia sudah ditakdirkan menjadi "GAY"
klo ada, gw bakal buat thread disetiap sub forum yang ada di Indogamers klo gw salah (walau harus kena ban) :powh:
lu orang udah kerja, bahkan mungkin lebih tua dari gw, harusnya lu bisa mikir, sensor kata2 lu
orang yang punya IQ, EQ, dan SQ yang baik, tidak akan mengucapkan/menuliskan kata2 seperti post lu
selama ini :ptd:
Kalau semua orang jadi Gay.
itu memang trouble bisa2 gak ada lagi bayi.
tapi sekarang memang ada sebagian Gay yang memaksa2 dan menganggu kehidupan yang
Straight..
Tapi orang yang Straight pun juga banyak yang menganggu kehidupan orang lain
itu tergantung orangnya.
Jangan Paradigma sempit.
dunia ini gak cuman item sama putih tapi abu2.
gw gak menyuruh apalagi memaksa kalian empati sama mereka.
tapi mereka juga manusia.
dan masalah mereka dengan Sang pencipta adalah masalah mereka pribadi.
Saya benci Sifat Gay bukan berarti saya benci "orang" gay!
mereka juga manusia. mereka bisa tersinggung, mereka bisa marah dan mereka juga
tau tata krama.
gw gak pernah tuh ada cerita mendukung penyebaran Gay di indonesia
atau menerima Sifat mereka dalam komunitas.
tapi gw juga tidak suka orang yang menjadikan mereka sebagai bahan becandaan.
untuk bisa menjadi orang yang Besar, harus punya Hati yang besar.
lo gak suka sama gay? bukan berarti lo mencaci maki mereka.
ELU ELU, GUA GUA
Selama dia gak nyenggol elu berarti lo gak usah nyenggol dia.
kenapa? gak bisa nerima kenyataan dan akhirnya cuman bisa cengin orang.
Cuman bisa blame on them doang?
Gimana caranya lo bisa buat mereka sembuh kalau sebagai human being aja
mereka udah disisihkan. yang ada mereka malah keki sama kita yang straight.
jadi orang yang besar hati, jangan besar mulut
Baik itu relatif.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
dan seperti yang lo bilang sendrii
dan soal
ini baru gw ngakak.Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
Gay biasanya dipengaruhi oleh keluarga dan lingkungan
emang lo bisa milih lahir dimana dan siapa orang tuanya?
dan tambahan sedikit:
Being gay 'is genetic'
2005-09-16 09:08
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Why is science being ignored in the raging debate about the position gays should or could occupy in practising religion?
I ask this because many religious people condemn the gay minister of St Stephen's Dutch Reformed Church in Cape Town, Laurie Gaum, for being openly gay and agree with their church commission's decision to defrock him because of it.
And listening to hundreds of self-righteous callers on radio talk-shows who use only their Holy Books to condemn homosexuality as sinful while ignoring science, I once again want to emphasise the call for a return to rational thinking that I argued in this column last week ("Switch on the baloney detectors").
Moreleta Park's Dutch Reformed Church in Pretoria wages an astonishingly naive and hypocritical campaign against gays, with its ministers and anti-gay church members openly proclaiming gays can be "cured" from their "sickness" - by converting to Christianity, or praying long and hard enough.
Even worse: many people sitting in judgment make no distinction between gays and common criminals and other sinners, again trusting only the archaic views of their Holy Scriptures.
Biological traits cannot be overruled!
As if biological traits can be overruled and ignored that easily! Where is science in all of this? And what do scientists say about the phenomenon of homosexuality? Why do theologians and many religious people continue to ignore the findings of science about homosexuality?
It's a disgrace that the whole debate in the NGK, and other churches, as well among Muslim communities, continues to apply the norms of dated Holy Books written in the Dark Ages between 2 000 and 1 500 years ago.
And in a scientific age when modern science has found ample evidence that being gay has a biological foundation. That gay people are not abnormal, but a biological variation that cannot be prayed and forced into a heterosexual state of mind.
A young man, Matthew Shepard, is tied to a fence and beaten to death in Wyoming because he is gay; more than 50 gays, some of them young boys in their puberty, are "legally" executed on the orders of Iranian mullahs because of their genetic sexual orientation.
Laurie Gaum is evicted as minister because his genes do not conform to the mental framework of genes prescribed by the NGK. Just three scandalous examples.
The evidence
Let me give attention to only two scientific studies. There are hundreds of others readers can easily find on the internet.
It is outrageous that the results of two laboratory studies, published as far back as 1991 and 1993 in Science, are still ignored by religious fanatics. Simon LeVay, "A Difference in Hypothalamic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men," Science, Vol 253, No 5023 (August 30, 1991), pp 1034-1037, and Dean Hamer et al, Science, Vol 261 (1993), pp 321-327 have come to conclusions that clearly show a biological link in the sexual orientation of people.
LeVay, a neuroscientist at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California, conducted autopsies on 19 gay men, 16 straight men, and 6 heterosexual women at 7 hospitals in New York and California.
He dissected the forebrain of the deceased and found the hypothalamus gland in both the women and the gay men were less than half the size of those in the straight men.
LeVay concluded that his study "suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate" - which refutes the so-called reparative therapy - "God can heal you" - so many anti-gay, pro-the-Holy-Books-at-all-costs-religious people propose to gay people.
The National Cancer Institute study lead by Hamer, a Harvard trained geneticist, looked at 40 families with two gay brothers. Hamer and his team found evidence in 33 of the pairs for a genetically maternal influence in the determination of male homosexuality.
According to Hamer there was a clear "correlation between homosexual orientation and the inheritance of polymorphic markers on the X chromosome," which gay men receive from their mothers.
Readers can also do a survey of other similar studies by scientists such as LeVay, J Michael Bailey, Richard C Pillard, Dennis McFadden and Edward Pasanen, to mention just a few of the surveys refuting the absurd and unscientific arguments of religious fundamentalists.
A good overview of the debate can also be found in the article Gays and Genes by Andrew Hacker in The New York Review of Books, March 27 2003.
May I repeat my plea: give science its rightful place and allow the voice of scientific reason to be heard.
Source: http://www.news24.com/News24/Columni...767311,00.html
dan tambahan lagi:
http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html
Health
Mom's Genetics Could Produce Gay Sons
By Ker Than, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 24 February 2006 09:22 am ET
Buzz up!
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The arrangement of a mother's genes could affect the sexual orientation of her son, according to a new study.
The finding, detailed in the February issue of the journal Human Genetics, adds fuel to the decade-long debate about whether so-called "gay genes" might exist.
The researchers examined a phenomenon called "X chromosome inactivation" in 97 mothers of gay sons and 103 mothers whose sons were not gay.
X and Y
Chromosomes are large thread-like molecules that contain an organism's genetic instructions. Humans have 23 chromosome pairs. The X chromosome is one of two sex chromosomes in mammals; the other is the Y chromosome. Females have two X chromosomes and no Y's, while males have one X and one Y.
Even though women have two X chromosomes, only one is functional because the other is inactivated through a process called "methylation."
"It gets wrapped up in a ball and is not used with the exception of a few genes," explained study leader Sven Bocklandt of the University of California, Los Angeles.
If one of the females' X chromosomes is not turned off, then there is too much genetic material, which can lead to a harmful overabundance of proteins. Down syndrome, for example, results from the presence of an extra copy of chromosome 21.
Big difference
Normally, X chromosome inactivation occurs at random: half of the cells in a woman's body will have one X chromosome inactivated, while the other half inactivates the other chromosome.
However, when the researchers in the current study examined cells from the 42 mothers who had at least two gay sons, they found that about a quarter of the women in this group showed something different.
"Every single cell that we looked at in these women inactivated the same X chromosome," Bocklandt told LiveScience. "That's highly unusual."
In contrast, only 4 percent of mothers with no gay sons and 13 percent of those with just one gay son showed this type of extreme skewing.
Bocklandt thinks this suggest that a mother's X chromosomes partly influences whether her son is gay or not.
"We think that there are one or more genes on the X chromosome that have an effect on the sexual orientation of the sons of these mothers, as well as an effect on the cells we were looking at," Bocklandt said.
Other chromosomes implicated
Bocklandt was also involved in an earlier study that looked at the entire human genome of men who had two or more gay brothers. The researchers found identical stretches of DNA on three chromosomes—7, 8 and 10—that were shared by about 60 percent of the gay brothers in the study.
That study also found mothers to have an unusually large role in their son's sexual orientation: the region on chromosome 10 correlated with homosexuality only if it was inherited from the mother.
The results from these two studies suggest that there are multiple genetic factors involved in determining a person's sexual orientation and that it might vary depending on the person.
"We think that there are going to be some gay men who are X chromosome gay men and some who are chromosome 7 gay men or chromosome 10 gay men or some combination," Bocklandt said in a telephone interview.
Most researchers now think that there is no single gay gene that controls whether a person is homosexual or not. Rather, it's the influence of multiple genes, combined with environmental influences, which ultimately determine whether a person is gay.
A touchy subject
Research into the genetics of sexual orientation is controversial. Religious leaders who believe that sexual orientation is a choice argue that such research is an attempt to legitimize homosexuality; others worry that a detailed knowledge of the genetics underlying homosexuality will open the door to genetic engineering that prevents it.
But Bocklandt doesn't think these concerns should prevent scientists from asking the basic question of whether homosexuality has an underlying genetic component to it or not.
"I have no doubt that at some point we'll be able to manipulate all sorts of aspects of our personality and physical appearance," Bocklandt said. "I think if there's ever a time when we can make these changes for sexual orientation, then we will also be able to do it for intelligence or musical skills or certain physical characteristics—but whether or not these things are allowed to happen is something that society as a whole has to decide. It's not a scientific question.
Intinya apa?
semua orang itu sebenarnya ada Genetis Gay.
tapi beberapa orang memiliki Kromosom yang lebih mendukung untuk menjadi gay.
dan emang lo merasa gw mengkritik secara General?
apa gw menuduh semua anak IDGS seperti ini?
atau apakah lo baca satu demi satu post setelah thread gw keluar?
apakah lo sudah baca baik2 kalau orang tersinggung saat becandaan Gay dibawa ke NEXT LEVEL?
coba sebelum komen.
baca dulu semua post.
yang padahal sudah dibilang mencapai conclusion dimana elu elu dan gua gua
tapi lo ngoceh lagi.
well done mister know it all
Jadi sebenarnya siapa yang mulai...Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
... Kalau belum pernah ngerasain, bukankah ada bagusnya jangan merasa seperti sudah tahu -_-?Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
btw saya ada saran utk nutup thread ini...
coba baca dolo post pertama dia man.Quote:
Originally Posted by --Thanatos--
apa hak dia untuk ngejudge orang yang canda2 "GAY" (yang menurut gw dan gw lakukan, hanya untuk bercanda, tanpa ada maksud untuk menghina orang yang bener2 "GAY") dengan statement
wow, dengan huruf besar :sembah2: ganQuote:
Gay itu gak lucu!
Selera humor lo rendah! atau TINGKAT INTELEGENSIA ANDA MERANGKAK
kalau mikir becanda2 bawa2 kata gay LUCU dan MENGHIBUR
lu siapa gw? ngehina sampe kek gitu?
sekali lagi gw tulis dech,percuma pake bahasa konglomerat klo ngomong sama tukang becak, paling2 tukang becaknya melongo.Quote:
gw menyesuaikan tata bahasa gw dengan tata bahasa orang yang saya ajak ngobrol/chat
kemudian untuk masalah udah ngerasain atau belum, saya rasa terlalu jauh dech berpikir seperti itu. karena bukan cuma kata "GAY" saja yang tidak pantas untuk kita jadikan bahan candaan, IMO.
gw bukan sok tahu , cuma gw ga suka dengan kata2 nya yang terlalu melecehkan orang lain (generalisir).
klo ga salah, admin pun pernah buat thread ginian, ga pake kata2 seperti TS, yang cuma seorang "moderator" :pgrin:
saya respek dengan anda selama ini, tapi setelah post ini, sepertinya saya perlu menelaah kembali setiap post2 anda yang dlu saya anggap berbobot dan punya kelas :powh:
wow kk wow...Quote:
jadi orang yang besar hati, jangan besar mulut
udah crosscheck ke diri anda sendiri? :sembah2:
ya..Quote:
Originally Posted by 3agl3one
seperti kejadian dengan elu dan gw..
dan gw rasa khalayak umum tau siapa tukang becaknya
yang paling lucu.
apa hubungannya semua ini dengan jabatan gw di forum?
btw lo udah baca artikel yang diatas kan :phmm:
oh theres some good comment to read:
"The researchers examined a phenomenon called "X chromosome inactivation" in 97 mothers of gay sons and 103 mothers whose sons were not gay."
"That study also found mothers to have an unusually large role in their son's sexual orientation: the region on chromosome 10 correlated with homosexuality only if it was inherited from the mother."
"...others worry that a detailed knowledge of the genetics underlying homosexuality will open the door to genetic engineering that prevents it. But Bocklandt doesn't think these concerns should prevent scientists from asking the basic question of whether homosexuality has an underlying genetic component to it or not. "I have no doubt that at some point we'll be able to manipulate all sorts of aspects of our personality and physical appearance," Bocklandt said"
All conception is heterosexual. So the hard question is this. If abortion remains legal, how many mothers, who didn't deliberately choose a homosexual partner to conceive a life, will still choose life if they know? Will they even tell their man?