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    Quote Originally Posted by Unfinished View Post
    Coba gini aja...

    Kalau TS merasa sangat yakin dengan kesalahan damage chimera shot tersebut.

    Coba dikalkulasikan, berapa damage seharusnya ?
    Sertakan perhitungan + keterangan + referensi yang dipakai untuk WoW Wotlk.

    Saya tadi udah coba2 hitung dengan segala kemungkinan, dan memungkinkan untuk tercapai damage segitu.
    Chimera Shot Level 80
    50 Focus 40 yd range
    Instant 10 sec cooldown
    Requires Ranged Weapon
    An instant shot that causes ranged weapon damage plus RAP*0.24+874, refreshing the duration of your Serpent Sting and healing you for 5% of your total health.

    source : http://old.wowhead.com/spell=53209


    ini hitungan kasarnya (blum dihitung dgn pengaruh armor)

    RAP (Range attack power) : 8000
    weapon damage (wrathful high end) : 731 - 1003 (kita ambil 1000)

    Code:
    damage chimera shot = weapon damage + (RAP*0.24+874)
    
                        = 1000 + (8000*0.24+874)
    
                        = 1000 + 2794 = 3794
    
    
    resi 1100 = reduce damage 23.2%
    
    reduce damage with resi 1100 = 23.2% * 3794 = 880.208
    
    damage yg diterima player = 3794 - 880.208 = 2913.792 (bukan crit)

    ini perhitungan pake RAP 8k.. RAP 8k aja damage nya 2913.792 (bkn crit).. klo crit palingan 5000an

    Spoiler untuk kesimpulan :
    damage chimera shot di AMPM gk sesuai dgn retail... mgkn aja formula AMPM makenya formula chimera shot cata..

    Spoiler untuk chimera shot cata :

    Chimera Shot Level 85
    50 Focus 40 yd range
    Instant cast 10 sec cooldown
    Requires Ranged Weapon
    An instant shot that causes ranged weapon Nature damage plus RAP*0.732+1620, refreshing the duration of your Serpent Sting and healing you for 5% of your total health.

    Code:
    damage chimera shot cata = weapon damage + (RAP*0.732+1620)

    klo mage formula cata, damage mansion yg di post #1 itu bisa saja benar...


    edit:
    memang itu spell uda di convert ke cata... jadi ada focus dll... tapi yg kita liat disini itu formula nya (yg merah)... formula nya gk brubah... yg selain formula itu gk perlu diliat...
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    salah2.. tar gw edit dl.. maklum cah ndeso blajar foruman ga isa nampilin kek di atas. sial gr2 ada 22 SS buat perbandingan jadi ga isa keluar gambarna. sabar.

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    Man buat perbandingan ajah. itu Ipin gnome resi 1220++ batel stance di Jedor EQ pve full arpen= 6200++ dengan Vahnz hunter Buff King might scrol agi..
    apabila +buff wsg +30% = 6200 * 30% all damage= 8060(Total)=dengan Catatan EQ pve Full Arpen dengan Resi 1220++ batel stance..

    nah warior gw resi 1142 Defensiv stance(decrease damage taken 10%)

    So gmn pendapat anda?? msh wajar? Normal meski full buff??
    skali kucing tetap ga isa jadi Singa Bung!




    Kesimpulannya=Mansion jgn jadi=(Baca Nick)
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    pendapat saya....ada 2 point yg di bahas di sini...

    point 1...apakah dmg mansion di atas dmg hunter2 lain (dmg hunter seharusnya), dengan 8k crit chimera
    soal ini menurut saya angka dmg segitu mungkin aja di capai, berdasarkan data2 dmg hunter no buff di SS di atas, blon might, king, proc trinket/cincin, Furious Howl, Call of the wild, Culling the herd, Berseking, Rapid Killing blon lagi aura2 party....kecuali TS yakin 100% mansion waktu nge shot 8k crit itu bener2 kondisi polosan no buff, no aura...baru bisa dipertanyakan

    point ke 2, apakah dmg hunter sekarang sesuai dengan offi?
    point ini yg susah dijelaskan, apalagi source2 dmg WOTLK uda banyak yg ilang...itu termasuk link spell yg di atas jg walaupun pake old.wowhead, uda pake focus cost...artinya bukan WOTLK punya spell lagi kan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarNgakak View Post
    pendapat saya....ada 2 point yg di bahas di sini...

    point 1...apakah dmg mansion di atas dmg hunter2 lain (dmg hunter seharusnya), dengan 8k crit chimera
    soal ini menurut saya angka dmg segitu mungkin aja di capai, berdasarkan data2 dmg hunter no buff di SS di atas, blon might, king, proc trinket/cincin, Furious Howl, Call of the wild, Culling the herd, Berseking, blon lagi aura2 party....kecuali TS yakin 100% mansion waktu nge shot 8k crit itu bener2 kondisi polosan no buff, no aura...baru bisa dipertanyakan

    point ke 2, apakah dmg hunter sekarang sesuai dengan offi?
    point ini yg susah dijelaskan, apalagi source2 dmg WOTLK uda banyak yg ilang...itu termasuk link spell yg di atas jg walaupun pake old.wowhead, uda pake focus cost...artinya bukan WOTLK punya spell lagi kan?
    gan itu emang uda di di convert... tapi yg kita perlu liat itu formula nya... formula nya bener2 wotlk itu... yg lain mah gk perlu..

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarNgakak View Post
    pendapat saya....ada 2 point yg di bahas di sini...

    point 1...apakah dmg mansion di atas dmg hunter2 lain (dmg hunter seharusnya), dengan 8k crit chimera
    soal ini menurut saya angka dmg segitu mungkin aja di capai, berdasarkan data2 dmg hunter no buff di SS di atas, blon might, king, proc trinket/cincin, Furious Howl, Call of the wild, Culling the herd, Berseking, Rapid Killing blon lagi aura2 party....kecuali TS yakin 100% mansion waktu nge shot 8k crit itu bener2 kondisi polosan no buff, no aura...baru bisa dipertanyakan

    point ke 2, apakah dmg hunter sekarang sesuai dengan offi?
    point ini yg susah dijelaskan, apalagi source2 dmg WOTLK uda banyak yg ilang...itu termasuk link spell yg di atas jg walaupun pake old.wowhead, uda pake focus cost...artinya bukan WOTLK punya spell lagi kan?
    coba di liat dl kk. itu damage rata2 5500 sudah Prok=DBW 1200Atak power + WFS Heroic(milik Vahnz +1250 atak power) + buff Batel sout + scroll agi.

    Seperti yang ane jelasin di atas. (kalo lo orang udah terdesak ya pasti mundur intervane ke healer.. tp ttp liat buff enemy, berhubung lu orang sekarat ya pasti dong minta heal dl..mana sempet SS coy darah sekarat gtu. kecuali kl emg lo orang ga ada healer=Matek ae cok) tau2 jebrett 8469 damage Chimera shoot? So Beautifull..

    Mungkin ada benarnya kata kk realzs
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    ya kan saya cuma nyoba kasi pandangan, apakah mungkin dmg nya chimera hunter AMPM nyampe segitu...dan dari saya liat perbedaan buff vahnz dan buff2 lain yg mungkin diberikan ke hunter...menurut saya mungkin saja dmg hunter bisa nyampe segitu, sekalipun nggak pake gear full arpen ~ setau saya chimera itu type nya nature-spell dmg nya, jadi gak di potong armor

    kalo soal itung2 an dmg hunter AMPM dan blizz aslinya, saya nggak tau deh....
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    ternyata bug nya adalah... saya tau
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ez-shaman View Post
    ternyata bug nya adalah... saya tau
    btw itu RAP nya pas di screenshot ndutzie brp??

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarNgakak View Post
    ya kan saya cuma nyoba kasi pandangan, apakah mungkin dmg nya chimera hunter AMPM nyampe segitu...dan dari saya liat perbedaan buff vahnz dan buff2 lain yg mungkin diberikan ke hunter...menurut saya mungkin saja dmg hunter bisa nyampe segitu, sekalipun nggak pake gear full arpen ~ setau saya chimera itu type nya nature-spell dmg nya, jadi gak di potong armor

    kalo soal itung2 an dmg hunter AMPM dan blizz aslinya, saya nggak tau deh....
    wah bener dah damage mansion... itu uda ane edit perhitungan damage chimera di post #61... (sori gw lupa tambah 40% damage serpent sting)

    itu klo bener2 saat itu RAP nya mansion 8k...

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    setau gwe damage chimaera + damage chimera serpent sting itu keluarnya sendiri2 ga bareng

    coba aja pake scrolling combat text biasanya tulisanya damage chimera 5k

    trus damage chimera serpent sting keluar lg damagenya 3k gitu

    ga jadi 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10tacle View Post
    setau gwe damage chimaera + damage chimera serpent sting itu keluarnya sendiri2 ga bareng

    coba aja pake scrolling combat text biasanya tulisanya damage chimera 5k

    trus damage chimera serpent sting keluar lg damagenya 3k gitu

    ga jadi 1
    oh iye bener.. ane baru nyoba pake hunter... btr ane edit lagi dah hitungan nya..

    ok done.. post #61
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    gw krg ngerti perhitungan damage hunter sih secara ga pernah main hunter, tp entah knp emg dibanding hunter2 lain yg equip setara si mansion slalu ngasi damage paling gede

    shaman gw resi 1335 krg lebih+buff sanctuary+king+dll bisa masuk chimera ampir 9k+kill shot 9500

    tp berhubung gw mail sih kirain sgitu normal

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    tross... itu salah mansionya apa salah hunternya ?

    klo damage cimshot 8k dengan segala blablalbanya memungkinkan sgitu ya wajarrr dong

    prasaan smua hunter jadi megelin dah... golor molo by 1 di bg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norbenth! View Post
    tross... itu salah mansionya apa salah hunternya ?

    klo damage cimshot 8k dengan segala blablalbanya memungkinkan sgitu ya wajarrr dong

    prasaan smua hunter jadi megelin dah... golor molo by 1 di bg
    damage hunter error (kegedean).. ditambah lagi damage mansion lebi gede dari damage hunter yg eror...

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    umm numpang lewat

    formula chimera shot di ganti di cata itu
    yg Wrath : Chimera Shot dari openwow, atau http://www.wowwiki.com/Chimera_Shot masih data lama
    ditulis damagenya 125% weapon damage
    ditambah dari talent dan glyph :
    - Mortal Shots increases the critical strike damage bonus by 30%. Marked for Death increases the critical strike damage bonus by a further 10%. Piercing Shots causes the target to bleed for 30% of the critical strike damage.
    - Improved Stings increases the triggered damage with Serpent Sting by 30%.
    - Ranged Weapon Specialization increases the damage done by 5%.
    - Glyph of Serpent Sting adds two ticks to Serpent Sting without reducing the damage done per tick, thus increasing the total damage done by the sting. Since Chimera Shot's triggered effect is based on the damage done by your Serpent Sting, this will increase the damage done by the triggered effect by 40%.

    jadi klo mau itung ulang...
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