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    Quote Originally Posted by fadillah46 View Post
    kamu yg bilang sendiri ya...

    aku lo sudah melakukan tindakan yang pasti dan tekad yang bulat, dengan mendukung mimpi indonesia as big country and nation di forum ini...

    kamu gimana?? menjabarkan realita terus menerus sebagai pembanding?? itukah tekad yang bulat dan tindakan yang pasti mu??

    buat wisnu juga di bawah nie... bagaimana dgn anda??
    tekad yg bulat ga bisa dibentuk dalam waktu 1-2 hari.. butuh berminggu2 hingga tahunan.. bahkan ada orang yg sampe mati pun ga bisa memiliki sebuah komitmen.. karena kebnyakan ngimpi dan ga berani menghadapi realita.

    justru karena dengan realita yang menyedihkan lah manusia baru bisa belajar untuk maju dan berjuang..
    masi inget ketika zaman penjajahan belanda dan detik2 kemerdekaan? dmna anak2 muda dan para pemimpin depresi semua tetapi mereka tetap bsa bangkit dan maju? dan coba kau bayangkan dengan sekarang?
    kbnykan cmn bisa ngimpi.. otak ada, modal ada tapi ga ada kemauannya..bahkan uda bisa dibilang terlalu damai hidup ini jadi uda males ngapa2in.
    bahkan dengan adanya perang dan bencana suatu tempat bisa menjadi lebih cepat maju dan lebih kokoh persatuannya.. lihatlah aceh.

    Quote Originally Posted by wisnu93 View Post
    Begitu ya
    Bukan anak IPS sih, jadi kurang ngerti ekonomi
    Kira" brapa bulan/tahunkah krisis Uncle Sam itu??
    Solusi krisisnya apa ya?
    ya karena kita kebanyakan mimpi maka pantas dibentuk republik mimpi..
    boleh dikatakan kita terkena butterfly effect yg mengarah ke chaos..
    1 orang panik maka akan menyebabkan semuanya panik..
    tetapi disaat seperti ini lebih baik jgn percayain siapapun.. bahkan mau pebisnis handal sekalipun..
    karena disaat seperti inilah mereka pasti akan mencari cara untuk tetap mempertahankan keyakinan para pemegang saham supaya ga kabur.. wlaubagaimanapun caranya.

    tenang aje gw jg bukan ahli ekonom, cmn bnyk bergaul aja ama org2 yg suka ngobrolin ekonomi jadi dikit2 nempel di otak la.

    klo menurut gw amrik itu akan selesai krisisnya setelah permainan mereka game over la..
    ga liat dunia bilang minyak naek uda ga akan turun lage.. eh skrg uda turun lagi tu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menara_Jakarta View Post
    Good newsnya, negara2 kayak Jepang dan UE udah mau resesi, Indonesia tidak. Mengapa? Karena kita tidak banyak terpengaruh turbulance ekonomi Indonesia bahkan awarded strongest economy of the year

    Indonesia dikatakan sebagai negara dengan ekonomi terkuat,tapi ingat,Amerika adalah relasi dagang Indonesia teraktif dan saham yang beredar di Bursa Efek Indonesia mayoritas dikuasai investor asing. Artinya, uang itu akan mudah pergi. Andaikan Amerika hari ini resesi, dan bursa sahamnya jatuh, hot money itu segera keluar untuk berburu saham-saham murah di Amerika. Banyak investor menarik dananya dari bursa di Asia, dan mengalihkannya ke Amerika, karena unsur spekulasi bahwa harga saham sedang murah dan ekonomi Amerika akan segera pulih. Aksi-aksi spekulatif itu akan mengguncang bursa global, termasuk Asia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Menara_Jakarta View Post
    Indonesia bahkan awarded strongest economy of the year
    in? Asia? or among the World? boleh minta web source nya?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VintageAllstar View Post
    Indonesia dikatakan sebagai negara dengan ekonomi terkuat,tapi ingat,Amerika adalah relasi dagang Indonesia teraktif dan saham yang beredar di Bursa Efek Indonesia mayoritas dikuasai investor asing. Artinya, uang itu akan mudah pergi. Andaikan Amerika hari ini resesi, dan bursa sahamnya jatuh, hot money itu segera keluar untuk berburu saham-saham murah di Amerika. Banyak investor menarik dananya dari bursa di Asia, dan mengalihkannya ke Amerika, karena unsur spekulasi bahwa harga saham sedang murah dan ekonomi Amerika akan segera pulih. Aksi-aksi spekulatif itu akan mengguncang bursa global, termasuk Asia.



    in? Asia? or among the World? boleh minta web source nya?

    bukannya justru investor asing lagi pada incer saham BUMN kita..?ama saham2 pny bakrie dan yg gede2 laennya?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luna_croz View Post
    bukannya justru investor asing lagi pada incer saham BUMN kita..?ama saham2 pny bakrie dan yg gede2 laennya?
    Yap bisa di katakan seperti itu tp PAstiny mereka inGin menGuras SDA kita....
    trus qlo dah abis udah RATA kita.....

    pastiny kita terdesak nd akan ad perang sodara.....
    tp yg lbh para pasti kita akan impor terus tuh bahan makan ampe gx isa byr trus jd budak amrik @_@
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    Quote Originally Posted by luna_croz View Post
    bukannya justru investor asing lagi pada incer saham BUMN kita..?ama saham2 pny bakrie dan yg gede2 laennya?
    ya itu mksd saya saham-saham yang berlalulalang di BEI mayoritas dikuasai asing.. 70% volume perdagangan di BEJ di dominasi asing.Dan yang lebih parahnya 25% saham blue chip sudah dikuasai oleh asing (up50%kep.saham).

    80%-85% saham BUMN dikuasai asing. Di sektor seluler, para pihak asing sudah mengakuisisi saham-saham unggulan seperti Telkomsel dan Indosat.
    Saking banyaknya pihak yang mau menjual saham itulah yang mengakibatkan harga saham jatuh 10 persen kemarin. Mereka berani menjual murah, menjual rugi, asal bisa segera mendapat uang cash. Sebenarnya sekaranglah saatnya membeli kembali saham Indosat, Telkomsel, atau apa pun, tapi kita belum cukup kaya untuk melakukan itu.

    Di sektor perbankan saja saat ini 6 dari 10 perbankan terbesar di Indonesia kepemilikan mayoritasnya dikuasai asing.Dari sektor migas ada Aneka tambang, Tambang batubara bukit asam, Chevron, Petrochina, British Petroleum, Shell, dll. Dan yang jadi gonjang-ganjing sekarang di kalau anda buka forum migas adalah eksistensi Chevron-Texaco dari US.

    Kemarin baru dapat rumours kalau saham BUMI milik Bakrie beberapa persen akan dilepas. Ada yang mengatakan bahwa pembeli 35% saham BUMI tersebut adalah Avenue Capital Group, sebuah perusahaan investasi raksasa asal Amerika Serikat yang memiliki aset sebesar US$ 20,3 miliar. Tambang Batubara Bukit Asam dan Aneka Tambang juga masuk ke rumours tertarik membeli saham-saham BUMI yang akan dilepas.

    Yang dikhawatirkan adalah bagaimana cara Indonesia menjernihkan economic bubble yang kapan saja bisa meletus. Dari mana kekuatan Indonesia? pemerintah hanya bisa bertepuk dada dengan mengatakan Indonesia masih kuat (Malaysia saja kelimpungan dan Harga penutupan Index Gabungan singapura saja turun 10%).

    Yang paling meng-khawatirkan adalah dana asing juga masuk lewat SBI dan surat utang.Itu sangat berbahaya karena Hot money (uang panas) itu biasanya dengan mudah akan berpindah dari suatu pasar modal ke pasar lain. Akibatnya, uang panas akan berdampak terhadap meningkatnya gejolak, baik di pasar modal mau pun di pasar valas, khususnya di negara-negara yang pasar finansialnya masih belum dalam.

    Volume pertukaran Vallas 2 hari yang lalu sempat menyentuh lv 10.600. Hingga kemarin ditutup pada lv 10.000. Dan banyak awam yang telah menukar dollarnya kembali pada rupiah. Tetapi itu akan semakin memberatkan Indonesia pada jangka selanjutnya. Apabila Jumlah uang terlalu banyak yang beredar hal ini akan berakibat harga barang menjadi naik karena orang memiliki uang banyak sehingga mereka berani membayar lebih tinggi untuk supply yang ada.

    Seharusnya sekarang pemerintah menyiapkan dana untuk aksi BuyBack saham-saham yang pernah dilepasnya karena pada saat inilah momen yang paling baik. Tetapi harus ingat beberapa resiko yang saya sebut diatas.
    Dan yang paling penting ekonomi global tidak serta-merta dapat ditebak fluktuasinya. kalau timing tidak tepat maka opsi BuyBack akan jadi bumerang tajam.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinzo_Dame View Post
    pastiny kita terdesak nd akan ad perang sodara.....
    tp yg lbh para pasti kita akan impor terus tuh bahan makan ampe gx isa byr trus jd budak amrik @_@
    Justru pada saat sekarang ini Kebijakan pemerintaha akan menjadi penopang penting kemana arah Indonesia. sejarah '97,kala itu kita mengikuti jejak Thailand apakah akan diulangi sekarang?
    Kita tunggu saja hasil dari jurus Mbak Sri nanti.

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    Bankrupt ! Finished !



    The magnificent Iceland

    Sorry, dudes....it's not Indonesia. It's our far-away fella, Iceland. I've been wondering how iceland looks like (must be very thrilling and interesting place), but now, it is hardest-hit by this global financial turmoil, thanks to the greedy USA.
    Iceland was once known as the most stable and strong political and economical foundation, its people are ranked #1 for their happiness in life, and one of the richest people on earth. But now.....

    Iceland is on the verge of bankruptcy, having shut down its stock market and seized control of its last major bank Thursday. That brought trading in the country's currency to a halt, with foreign banks no longer willing to take Icelandic krona, even at fire-sale rates.

    "Iceland is bankrupt," said Arsaell Valfells, a professor at the University of Iceland. "The Icelandic krona is history. The IMF has to come and rescue us." Finance minister said.
    Indonesia can somehow learn on how to save our economy from another free-falling after 1998. Please, no more economic crisis. Not in our future, not in my daughter's era. USA, go to hell yourself!



    If I may suggest, iceland. STAY AWAY from a monster named IMF...Indonesia was severely damaged by IMF, and their devilish advice. You are a fren of Indonesia, and IMF is surely NOT !

    Think about this, iceland.

    http://akhyari.blogspot.com/2008/10/...-finished.html

    IMF memang monster yang rakus, jauhi IMF

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    imam khomaeni pernah meramalkan bahwa ada 2 negara yang akan hancur dalam 50 tahun trakhir ini,,
    yang pertama adalah uni soviet, yang ke 2 adalah amerika serikat

    uni soviet trbukti hancur
    tinggal amerika,,,bnyk orang bilang bahwa amerika akan hancur dalam segi sosialnya,, tp saat ini sedang menghadapi masalah ekonomi, dan bisa jadi amerika akan hancur

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    Yah, memang sulit sih. Yang disampaikan Dahlan Iskan itu bener2 dengan bahasa yang simpel. Plus, mudah dimengerti.

    Yah, everything is possible kan ? Apalagi kalu politik udah dicampuradukkan ama ekonomi...tapi analisis yang g sebutin juga ga sepenuhnya salah kan ?

    McCain aja udah 'bunuh diri' dengan mengatakan kalo fundamental ekonomi Amerika sangat kuat, dan pada hari yang sama Lehmann Brothers dinyatakan bangkrut..mau jadi apa kalo McCain & Palin yang menang election...

    Your time is over Bush..

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    wah gawat dollar terus naek mpe 10250an..

    salahnya indo ini BEI ditutup se.. bikin panik para pemegang saham aja.
    malah klo pas senen dibuka bisa riot ne rame2 jual sahamnya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luna_croz View Post
    wah gawat dollar terus naek mpe 10250an..

    salahnya indo ini BEI ditutup se.. bikin panik para pemegang saham aja.
    malah klo pas senen dibuka bisa riot ne rame2 jual sahamnya.
    kalau sya rasa penutupan BEI pada akhir-akhir ini sudah tepat karena BEI sendiri kan sudah sya bilang sebelumnya, volume perdagangan mayoritas ada di pihak asing dan spekulan luar. Dimana pergolakan yang terjadi di amerika akibat hancurnya Lehman brothers, salah input dari morgan, hancurnya nasdaq dan kemacetan dari sektor perkreditan property memacu keadaan yang fluktuatif,tidak kondusif, unpredictable dan high risk condition yang membuat spekulan akan menjual saham-saham yang dipegangnya untuk mempersiapkan uang panas mereka yang akan dialirkan ke saham-saham low di Amerika. Akibatnya pasar akan anjlok dan IHSG akan turun drastis.

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    itu pandangan menurut elo..tapi gimana menurut pemegang saham..
    elo aja de bertindak sebagai pemegang saham..
    mungkin kita denger isu bisa aja org cuekan dan ga mau tau isu tersebut..
    tetapi dengan adanya penutupan seperti itu, maka isu tersebut akan dikuatkan dengan sendirinya sehingga org yg semulanya cuek menjadi ikutan panik.

    u got my point?

    elo digituin pun pasti akan panik.. jgn bilang ga panik, mungkin u ga panik karena u ga maen.. coba u liatin yg maen saham mpe milyaran..
    mungkin uda botak dan udah pesen kamar RUMAH SAKIT kali itu mikir 3hari ga bisa tidur ga bisa makan.
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    A Solution?
    Published 10/11/08 Paul Craig Roberts, former Secretary of the U.S. Treasury
    E-mail - [email protected]

    Editor's Note: The following article was contributed by Paul Craig Roberts and may not reflect the views or opinions of EconomyInCrisis.org. Feedback is welcome.

    Readers have been pressing for a solution to the financial crisis. But first it is necessary to understand the problem. Here is the problem as I see it. If my diagnosis is correct, the solution below might be appropriate.

    Let’s begin with the fact that the financial crisis is more or less worldwide. The mechanism that spread the American-made financial crisis abroad was the massive U.S. trade deficit. Every year the countries with which the U.S. has trade deficits end up in the aggregate with hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Countries don’t put these dollars in a mattress. They invest them. They buy up U.S. companies, real estate, and toll roads. They also purchase U.S. financial assets.
    They finance the U.S. government budget deficit by purchasing Treasury bonds and bills. They help to finance the U.S. mortgage market by purchasing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds. They buy financial instruments, such as mortgage-backed securities and other derivatives, from U.S. investment banks, and that is how the U.S. financial crisis was spread abroad. If the U.S. current account was close to balance, the contagion would have lacked a mechanism by which to spread.

    One reason the U.S. trade deficit is so large is the practice of U.S. corporations offshoring their production of goods and services for U.S. markets. When these products are brought into the U.S. to be sold, they count as imports.

    Thus, economists were wrong to see the trade deficit as a non-problem and to regard offshoring as a plus for the U.S. economy.

    The fact that much of the financial world is polluted with U.S. toxic financial instruments could affect the ability of the U.S. Treasury to borrow the money to finance the bailout of the financial institutions. Foreign central banks might need their reserves to bail out their own financial systems. As the U.S. savings rate is approximately zero, the only alternative to foreign borrowing is the printing of money.

    Financial deregulation was an important factor in the development of the crisis. The most reckless deregulation occurred in 1999, 2000, and 2004. See Roberts.

    Lax mortgage lending policies grew out of pressures placed on mortgage lenders during the 1990s by the US Department of Justice and federal regulatory agencies to race-norm their mortgage lending and to provide below-market loans to preferred minorities. Subprime mortgages became a potential systemic threat when issuers ceased to bear any risk by selling the mortgages, which were then amalgamated with other mortgages and became collateral for mortgage-backed securities.

    Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan’s inexplicable low interest rate policy allowed the systemic threat to develop. Low interest rates push up housing prices by lowering monthly mortgage payments, thus increasing housing demand. Rising home prices created equity to justify 100 percent mortgages. Buyers leveraged themselves to the hilt and lacked the ability to make payments when they lost their jobs or when adjustable rates and interest escalator clauses pushed up monthly payments.

    Wall Street analysts pushed financial institutions to increase their earnings, which they did by leveraging their assets and by insuring debt instruments instead of maintaining appropriate reserves. This spread the crisis from banks to insurance companies.

    Finance chiefs around the world are dealing with the crisis by bailing out banks and by lowering interest rates. This suggests that the authorities see the problem as a solvency problem for the financial institutions and as a liquidity problem. US Treasury Secretary Paulson’s solution, for example, leaves unattended the continuing mortgage defaults and foreclosures. The fall in the US stock market predicts a serious recession, which means rising unemployment and more defaults and foreclosures.

    In place of a liquidity problem, I see an over-abundance of debt instruments relative to wealth. A fractional reserve banking system based on fiat money appears to be capable of creating debt instruments faster than an economy can create real wealth. Add in credit card debt, stocks purchased on margin, and leveraged derivatives, and debt is pyramided relative to real assets.

    Add in the mark-to-market rule, which forces troubled assets to be under-valued, thus threatening the solvency of institutions, and short-selling, which drives down the shares of trouble institutions, thereby depriving them of credit lines, and you have an outline of the many causes of the current crisis.

    If the diagnosis is correct, the solution is multifaceted.

    Instead of wasting $700 billion on a bailout of the guilty that does not address the problem, the money should be used to refinance the troubled mortgages, as was done during the Great Depression. If the mortgages were not defaulting, the income flows from the mortgage interest through to the holders of the mortgage-backed securities would be restored. Thus, the solvency problem faced by the holders of these securities would be at an end.

    The financial markets must be carefully re-regulated, not over-regulated or wrongly regulated.

    The trade deficit is more difficult to reduce as the U.S. has permitted itself to become dependent not merely on imports of foreign energy, but also on imports of foreign manufactured goods including advanced technology products. Steps can be taken to bring home the offshored production of U.S. goods for U.S. markets. This would substantially reduce the trade deficit and, thus, restore credibility to the U.S. dollar as world reserve currency. Follow-up measures would be required to insure that U.S. imports do not greatly exceed exports.

    The U.S. will have to set aside the racial privileges that federal bureaucrats pulled out of the Civil Rights Act and restore sound lending practices. It the U.S. government itself wishes to subsidize at taxpayer expense home purchases by non-qualified buyers, that is a political decision subject to electoral ratification. But the U.S. government must cease to force private lenders to breech the standards of prudence.

    The issuance of credit cards must be brought back to prudent standards, with checks on credit history, employment, and income. Balances that grow over time must be seen as a problem against which reserves must be provided, instead of a source of rising interest income to the credit card companies.

    Fractional reserve banking must be reined in by higher reserve requirements, rising over time perhaps to 100 percent. If banks were true financial intermediaries, they would not have money creating power, and the proliferation of debt relative to wealth would be reduced.

    The Great Depression lasted a decade because the authorities were unable to comprehend that the Federal Reserve had allowed the supply of money to shrink. The shrunken money supply could not employ the same number of workers at the same wages, and it could not purchase the same amount of goods and service at the same prices. Thus, prices and employment fell.

    The explanation of the Great Depression was not known until the 1960s when Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz published their Monetary History of the United States.
    http://www.economyincrisis.org/articles/show/1908

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    For me, all crisis in USA disebabkan oleh ketamakan mereka sendiri. Nyok rame2 simpen deposito, bunga deposito naek :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoOs_101 View Post
    Gini deh, gua aja lg di Amerika kondisi nya gpp... ekonomi msih jalan...

    Wallstreet aja yg triak2, di Amerika justru mereka kgk mau Wallstreet dpt Bailout 700bn dr negara, kalo gk merugikan rakyatnya. Nah skrg gua tanya, dampaknya apa terhadap Indonesia?

    GAK ADA...

    Lagian juga mngp kita perhatikan bursa? Bursa itu gk bisa dipake patokan buat pertumbuhan ekonomi... itu hanyalah tempat pertukaran stok... Jadinya kalo Wallstreet skrg ancur sih gua Ngakak aja... IHSG juga gk akan kena dampak nya ama Wallstreet... sp dr wallstreet yg invest di stok kita? Kgk ada... kl ada pasti dikid... Lehman brothers investasi ke Indonesia? Sm sekali tidak...
    Jika finansial Amerika Serikat ambruk, negaranya sendiri yang ambruk, bersamaan beberapa perusahan di dunia yang mendapatkan bantuan finansial dari AS.
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    well....rupiah melemah lagi 10300 skrg

    aaah, ga jadi beli vga klo gini

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