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    Kalo menurut gue nih manusia masih belum bisa deh ciptakan mesin waktu.
    Dunia ini bergerak menuju satu titik/tujuan. Sejak kejatuhan Nabi adam dan hawa akan dosa di taman eden maka pecahlah yang namanya waktu. Dari yang sifatnya kekal menjadi tidak kekal. Dimana mereka (adam dan hawa ) tidak diizinkan menjadi kekal oleh Tuhan. Jadi mulai ikut hukum yaitu menuju satu titik/tujuan.
    Begitu kita lahir hidup lalu kembali mati. Tidak bisa siklus terbalik dari mati hidup terus kita menjadi bayi. Kalo dibilang dunia ini berbanding lurus terhadap waktu.

    Gue pernah belajar di bangku sekolahan kalo suatu benda melaju dengan kecepatan atau lebih dari kecepatan cahaya yaitu 300.000 km/second maka benda tersebut akan seluruhnya menjadi energi. Sedangkan syarat time travel harus setara dengan kecepatan cahaya atau lebih. Nah kalo manusia atau benda melaju melebihi kecepatan cahaya dijamin pasti hancur tidak berbentuk menjadi energi/ hukum kekekalan masa.


    Sewaktu materi atau benda melaju kecepatan cahaya maka seluruhnya akan menjadi energi. Seandainya itu manusia pasti dia akan hancur melebur badannya menjadi energi dan lepaslah roh dari tubuhnya Nah satunya2 yang tidak terikat oleh ruang dan waktu adalah roh (ruah), berdasarkan pengalaman orang2 yang sudah pernah mati suri (mati sementara) roh mereka keluar tetapi seperti lama di alam sana, sedangkan di dunia nyata atau fisik hanya sebentar waktunya.Ini menunjukan roh ketidak terikatan akan ruang dan waktu.
    Kalau dibilang alam roh adalah dimensi ke 5 yang tidak terikat oleh ruang dan waktu sedangkan Dimensi ke 4 adalah waktu.

    Memang Tidak ada hubungannya antara alam roh dengan mesin waktu. Cuma mau menegaskan satu2nya yang bisa melewati ruang dan waktu hanyalah roh.
    Jadi manusia tidak bisa time traveler secara fisik. Mungkin teori bisa diperkirakan tetapi secara nyata atau lahiriah belum bisa dibuktikan.

    Ini cuma pemikiran saya saja kalo ada yang salah mohon dikoreksi trims ^_^.

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    Closed timelike curve.

    In a Lorentzian manifold, a closed timelike curve (CTC) is a worldline of a material particle in spacetime that is "closed," returning to its starting point. This possibility was raised by Willem Jacob van Stockum in 1937 and by Kurt Gödel in 1949. If CTCs exist, their existence would seem to imply at least the theoretical possibility of making a time machine, as well as raising the spectre of the grandfather paradox. CTCs are related to frame dragging and the Tipler time machine, one of the many interesting side-effects in general relativity.

    Light cones

    The lower light cone is characteristic of light cones in flat space - all spacetime coordinates included in the light cone have later times. The upper light cone not only includes other spatial locations at the same time, it doesn't include x=0 at future times, and includes earlier times.

    When discussing the evolution of a system in general relativity, or more specifically Minkowski space, physicists often refer to a "light cone". A light cone represents any possible future evolution of an object given its current state, or every possible location given its current location. An object's possible future locations are limited by the speed that the object can move, which is at best the speed of light. For instance, an object located at position p at time t0 can only move to locations within c(t1 − t0) in time t1.

    This is commonly represented on a graph with physical locations along the horizontal axis and time running vertically, with units of t for time and ct for space. Light cones in this representation appear as lines at 45 degrees centered on the object, as light travels at ct per t. On such a diagram, every possible future location of the object lies within the cone. Additionally, every space location has a future time, implying that an object may stay at any location in space indefinitely.

    Any single point on such a diagram is known as an event. Separate events are considered to be timelike if they are separated across the time axis, or spacelike if they differ along the space axis. If the object were in free fall it would travel up the t axis, if it accelerates it moves across the x axis as well. The actual path an object takes through spacetime, as opposed to the ones it could take, is known as the worldline. Another definition is that the light cone represents all possible worldlines.

    In "simple" examples of spacetime metrics the light cone is directed forward in time. This corresponds to the common case that an object cannot be in two places at once, or alternately that it cannot move instantly to another location. In these spacetimes, the worldlines of physical objects are, by definition, timelike. However this orientation is only true of "locally flat" spacetimes. In curved spacetimes the light cone will be "tilted" along the spacetime's geodesic. For instance, while moving in the vicinity of a star, the star's gravity will "pull" on the object, affecting its worldline, so its possible future positions lie closer to the star. This appears as a slightly tilted lightcone on the corresponding spacetime diagram. An object in free fall in this circumstance continues to move along its local t axis, but to an external observer it appears it is accelerating in space as well – a common situation if the object is in orbit, for instance.

    In extreme examples, in spacetimes with suitably high-curvature metrics, the light cone can be tilted beyond 45 degrees. That means there are potential "future" positions, from the object's frame of reference, that are spacelike separated to observers in an external rest frame. From this outside viewpoint, the object can move instantaneously through space. In these situations the object would have to move, since its present spacial location would not be in its own future light cone. Additionally, with enough of a tilt, there are event locations that lie in the "past" as seen from the outside. With a suitable movement of what appears to it its own space axis, the object appears to travel though time as seen externally.

    A closed timelike curve can be created if a series of such light cones are set up so as to loop back on themselves, so it would be possible for an object to move around this loop and return to the same place and time that it started. An object in such an orbit would repeatedly return to the same point in spacetime if it stays in free fall. Returning to the original spacetime location would be only one possibility; the object's future light cone would include spacetime points both forwards and backwards in time, and so it should be possible for the object to engage in time travel under these conditions.

    General relativity

    CTCs have an unnerving habit of appearing in locally unobjectionable exact solutions to the Einstein field equation of general relativity, including some of the most important solutions. These include:

    * the Kerr vacuum (which models a rotating uncharged black hole)
    * the van Stockum dust (which models a cylindrically symmetric configuration of dust),
    * the Gödel lambdadust (which models a dust with a carefully chosen cosmological constant term).
    * J. Richard Gott has proposed a mechanism for creating CTCs using cosmic strings.

    Some of these examples are, like the Tipler cylinder, rather artificial, but the exterior part of the Kerr solution is thought to be in some sense generic, so it is rather unnerving to learn that its interior contains CTCs. Most physicists feel that CTCs in such solutions are artifacts.

    Consequences

    One feature of a CTC is that it opens the possibility of a worldline which is not connected to earlier times, and so the existence of events that cannot be traced to an earlier cause. Ordinarily, causality demands that each event in spacetime is preceded by its cause in every rest frame. This principle is critical in determinism, which in the language of general relativity states complete knowledge of the universe on a spacelike Cauchy surface can be used to calculate the complete state of the rest of spacetime. However, in a CTC, causality breaks down, because an event can be "simultaneous" with its cause – in some sense an event may be able to cause itself. It is impossible to determine based only on knowledge of the past whether or not something exists in the CTC that can interfere with other objects in spacetime. A CTC therefore results in a Cauchy horizon, and a region of spacetime that cannot be predicted from perfect knowledge of some past time.

    No CTC can be continuously deformed as a CTC to a point (that is, a CTC and a point are not timelike homotopic), as the manifold would not be causally well behaved at that point. The topological feature which prevents the CTC from being deformed to a point is known as a timelike topological feature.

    Existence of CTCs places restrictions on physically allowable states of matter-energy fields in the universe. Propagating a field configuration along the family of closed timelike worldlines must eventually result in the state that is identical to the original one. This has been explored by some scientists as a possible approach towards disproving the existence of CTCs.

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    mmm....kalo menurut gw,kalaupun mesin waktu itu emang bener2 ada...seharusnya orang dari masa depan sudah ada di sini dan orang masa kini sudah ada di masa depan...

    tapi gw pernah baca suatu artikel tentang bangsa aztec kuno...katanya bangsa aztec kuno uda bisa mengilustrasikan helikopter...dan ilustrasi mereka persis dengan helikopter yang kita liat sekarang2 ini...apakah mereka pernah memakai mesin waktu ato cuma iseng2 gambar dan hasilnya mirip dengan helikopter???apakah jaman dahulu ada makhluk yang mirip helikopter???tapi...gw juga ga tau ini bener ato ga...gw cuma baca n' denger doang...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddog View Post
    mmm....kalo menurut gw,kalaupun mesin waktu itu emang bener2 ada...seharusnya orang dari masa depan sudah ada di sini dan orang masa kini sudah ada di masa depan...
    Ehm

    Silakan baca quote berikut:

    Quote Originally Posted by Detasement_7 View Post
    Closed timelike curve.

    In a Lorentzian manifold, a closed timelike curve (CTC) is a worldline of a material particle in spacetime that is "closed," returning to its starting point. This possibility was raised by Willem Jacob van Stockum in 1937 and by Kurt Gödel in 1949. If CTCs exist, their existence would seem to imply at least the theoretical possibility of making a time machine, as well as raising the spectre of the grandfather paradox. CTCs are related to frame dragging and the Tipler time machine, one of the many interesting side-effects in general relativity.

    Light cones

    The lower light cone is characteristic of light cones in flat space - all spacetime coordinates included in the light cone have later times. The upper light cone not only includes other spatial locations at the same time, it doesn't include x=0 at future times, and includes earlier times.

    When discussing the evolution of a system in general relativity, or more specifically Minkowski space, physicists often refer to a "light cone". A light cone represents any possible future evolution of an object given its current state, or every possible location given its current location. An object's possible future locations are limited by the speed that the object can move, which is at best the speed of light. For instance, an object located at position p at time t0 can only move to locations within c(t1 − t0) in time t1.

    This is commonly represented on a graph with physical locations along the horizontal axis and time running vertically, with units of t for time and ct for space. Light cones in this representation appear as lines at 45 degrees centered on the object, as light travels at ct per t. On such a diagram, every possible future location of the object lies within the cone. Additionally, every space location has a future time, implying that an object may stay at any location in space indefinitely.

    Any single point on such a diagram is known as an event. Separate events are considered to be timelike if they are separated across the time axis, or spacelike if they differ along the space axis. If the object were in free fall it would travel up the t axis, if it accelerates it moves across the x axis as well. The actual path an object takes through spacetime, as opposed to the ones it could take, is known as the worldline. Another definition is that the light cone represents all possible worldlines.

    In "simple" examples of spacetime metrics the light cone is directed forward in time. This corresponds to the common case that an object cannot be in two places at once, or alternately that it cannot move instantly to another location. In these spacetimes, the worldlines of physical objects are, by definition, timelike. However this orientation is only true of "locally flat" spacetimes. In curved spacetimes the light cone will be "tilted" along the spacetime's geodesic. For instance, while moving in the vicinity of a star, the star's gravity will "pull" on the object, affecting its worldline, so its possible future positions lie closer to the star. This appears as a slightly tilted lightcone on the corresponding spacetime diagram. An object in free fall in this circumstance continues to move along its local t axis, but to an external observer it appears it is accelerating in space as well – a common situation if the object is in orbit, for instance.

    In extreme examples, in spacetimes with suitably high-curvature metrics, the light cone can be tilted beyond 45 degrees. That means there are potential "future" positions, from the object's frame of reference, that are spacelike separated to observers in an external rest frame. From this outside viewpoint, the object can move instantaneously through space. In these situations the object would have to move, since its present spacial location would not be in its own future light cone. Additionally, with enough of a tilt, there are event locations that lie in the "past" as seen from the outside. With a suitable movement of what appears to it its own space axis, the object appears to travel though time as seen externally.

    A closed timelike curve can be created if a series of such light cones are set up so as to loop back on themselves, so it would be possible for an object to move around this loop and return to the same place and time that it started. An object in such an orbit would repeatedly return to the same point in spacetime if it stays in free fall. Returning to the original spacetime location would be only one possibility; the object's future light cone would include spacetime points both forwards and backwards in time, and so it should be possible for the object to engage in time travel under these conditions.

    General relativity

    CTCs have an unnerving habit of appearing in locally unobjectionable exact solutions to the Einstein field equation of general relativity, including some of the most important solutions. These include:

    * the Kerr vacuum (which models a rotating uncharged black hole)
    * the van Stockum dust (which models a cylindrically symmetric configuration of dust),
    * the Gödel lambdadust (which models a dust with a carefully chosen cosmological constant term).
    * J. Richard Gott has proposed a mechanism for creating CTCs using cosmic strings.

    Some of these examples are, like the Tipler cylinder, rather artificial, but the exterior part of the Kerr solution is thought to be in some sense generic, so it is rather unnerving to learn that its interior contains CTCs. Most physicists feel that CTCs in such solutions are artifacts.

    Consequences

    One feature of a CTC is that it opens the possibility of a worldline which is not connected to earlier times, and so the existence of events that cannot be traced to an earlier cause. Ordinarily, causality demands that each event in spacetime is preceded by its cause in every rest frame. This principle is critical in determinism, which in the language of general relativity states complete knowledge of the universe on a spacelike Cauchy surface can be used to calculate the complete state of the rest of spacetime. However, in a CTC, causality breaks down, because an event can be "simultaneous" with its cause – in some sense an event may be able to cause itself. It is impossible to determine based only on knowledge of the past whether or not something exists in the CTC that can interfere with other objects in spacetime. A CTC therefore results in a Cauchy horizon, and a region of spacetime that cannot be predicted from perfect knowledge of some past time.

    No CTC can be continuously deformed as a CTC to a point (that is, a CTC and a point are not timelike homotopic), as the manifold would not be causally well behaved at that point. The topological feature which prevents the CTC from being deformed to a point is known as a timelike topological feature.

    Existence of CTCs places restrictions on physically allowable states of matter-energy fields in the universe. Propagating a field configuration along the family of closed timelike worldlines must eventually result in the state that is identical to the original one. This has been explored by some scientists as a possible approach towards disproving the existence of CTCs.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_timelike_curve
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meguriai View Post
    Kalo menurut gue nih manusia masih belum bisa deh ciptakan mesin waktu.
    Dunia ini bergerak menuju satu titik/tujuan. Sejak kejatuhan Nabi adam dan hawa akan dosa di taman eden maka pecahlah yang namanya waktu. Dari yang sifatnya kekal menjadi tidak kekal. Dimana mereka (adam dan hawa ) tidak diizinkan menjadi kekal oleh Tuhan. Jadi mulai ikut hukum yaitu menuju satu titik/tujuan.
    Begitu kita lahir hidup lalu kembali mati. Tidak bisa siklus terbalik dari mati hidup terus kita menjadi bayi. Kalo dibilang dunia ini berbanding lurus terhadap waktu.

    Gue pernah belajar di bangku sekolahan kalo suatu benda melaju dengan kecepatan atau lebih dari kecepatan cahaya yaitu 300.000 km/second maka benda tersebut akan seluruhnya menjadi energi. Sedangkan syarat time travel harus setara dengan kecepatan cahaya atau lebih. Nah kalo manusia atau benda melaju melebihi kecepatan cahaya dijamin pasti hancur tidak berbentuk menjadi energi/ hukum kekekalan masa.


    Sewaktu materi atau benda melaju kecepatan cahaya maka seluruhnya akan menjadi energi. Seandainya itu manusia pasti dia akan hancur melebur badannya menjadi energi dan lepaslah roh dari tubuhnya Nah satunya2 yang tidak terikat oleh ruang dan waktu adalah roh (ruah), berdasarkan pengalaman orang2 yang sudah pernah mati suri (mati sementara) roh mereka keluar tetapi seperti lama di alam sana, sedangkan di dunia nyata atau fisik hanya sebentar waktunya.Ini menunjukan roh ketidak terikatan akan ruang dan waktu.
    Kalau dibilang alam roh adalah dimensi ke 5 yang tidak terikat oleh ruang dan waktu sedangkan Dimensi ke 4 adalah waktu.

    Memang Tidak ada hubungannya antara alam roh dengan mesin waktu. Cuma mau menegaskan satu2nya yang bisa melewati ruang dan waktu hanyalah roh.
    Jadi manusia tidak bisa time traveler secara fisik. Mungkin teori bisa diperkirakan tetapi secara nyata atau lahiriah belum bisa dibuktikan.

    Ini cuma pemikiran saya saja kalo ada yang salah mohon dikoreksi trims ^_^.

    jangankan kecepatan cahaya.. jantung manusia juga sudah berhenti pada kecepatan berapa ribu km/jam..
    pada manusia normal dengan kecepatan 140-250km/jam jantung manusia juga sudah mulai berdetak cukup kencang.

    @deta
    itu quota sepertinya hanya untuk perjalanan yg lebih cepat beberapa saat kedepan bukan?
    nga seperti si john titor punya yg bisa kemana2 sesuka hatinya..
    kalo yg itu g masi percaya.
    tapi klo yg mesin Waktu ala john pny.. ga masuk akal da.


    Quote Originally Posted by saddog View Post
    mmm....kalo menurut gw,kalaupun mesin waktu itu emang bener2 ada...seharusnya orang dari masa depan sudah ada di sini dan orang masa kini sudah ada di masa depan...

    tapi gw pernah baca suatu artikel tentang bangsa aztec kuno...katanya bangsa aztec kuno uda bisa mengilustrasikan helikopter...dan ilustrasi mereka persis dengan helikopter yang kita liat sekarang2 ini...apakah mereka pernah memakai mesin waktu ato cuma iseng2 gambar dan hasilnya mirip dengan helikopter???apakah jaman dahulu ada makhluk yang mirip helikopter???tapi...gw juga ga tau ini bener ato ga...gw cuma baca n' denger doang...
    zaman dulu jg teknologi udah ada kok.. arsitek2 nya lebih handal ketimbang arsitek sekarang..
    contohnya aja piramid, itu bangunan tanpa semen tapi bisa kokoh sampe2 ada ruang2 didalamnya..
    tapi bangunan zaman sekarang? kena gempa dikit aja uda roboh dimana2..
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    Quote Originally Posted by luna_croz View Post
    jangankan kecepatan cahaya.. jantung manusia juga sudah berhenti pada kecepatan berapa ribu km/jam..
    pada manusia normal dengan kecepatan 140-250km/jam jantung manusia juga sudah mulai berdetak cukup kencang.

    @deta
    itu quota sepertinya hanya untuk perjalanan yg lebih cepat beberapa saat kedepan bukan?
    nga seperti si john titor punya yg bisa kemana2 sesuka hatinya..
    kalo yg itu g masi percaya.
    tapi klo yg mesin Waktu ala john pny.. ga masuk akal da.
    John Titor memang sudah dikonfirmasi hoax, jadi tidak kredibel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeruzzz View Post
    gila,ngebuka sudut pandang dari semua arah...baik dari negatif maupun positif...tapi yg gw bingung kalo menurut kk harysetan itu bisa diciptakan,kenapa ga dibuat aja????
    si harrysetan itu masi dalam penelitian....
    sampe skrg belum ada kabarnya dr dia zzz....

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    eh,gw percaya lo dngan teori multiversenya john titor,ngerti gak apa yang dimaksud dengan teori multiversenya john titor?? dalami dan kaupun pasti tau

    bahkan ilmuwan stephen hawking yg dulunya ngotot ngotot tentang teori paradox pun akhirnya tunduk dengan mendengar teori multiversenya si john titor

    multiverse secara singkat dalam bahasa saya:
    di dunia ini ternyata terdapat begitu banyak dunia yang dibagi bagi per waktunya,contoh yang amat sangat mudah untuk menjelaskannya dan kalau gak ngerti berarti IQ anda dibawah 100 :

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    ********************************************
    TEORI PERJALANAN WAKTU (GRANDFATHER PARADOX)
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    Orang awam berpikir, jika si A balik ke masa lalu dan membunuh kakeknya sebelum si kakek punya keturunan (ayah/ibu si A), maka si A akan lenyap. Sebab tanpa ayah/ibunya, si A takkan lahir. Tapi masalah muncul. Jika di masa lalu, si kakek sudah mati sebelum dia punya keturunan, bagaima mungkin si A bisa ada di masa lalu untuk membunuhnya? Sebab logikanya, masa depan telah ditulis ulang dan si A seharusnya hilang. Lalu kenapa si A bisa membunuh kakeknya di masa lalu? Paradoks/masalah itu dinamakan Paradoks Sang Kakek.

    John Titor menyebutkan bahwa paradoks itu SALAH. Sebab jika si A balik ke masa lalu ataupun maju ke masa depan, dia akan mendarat di DUNIA LAIN serupa tapi tak sama. Agar lebih mudah dijelaskan, ibaratkan waktu sebagai sungai yg terdiri dari trilyunan tetes air. Dunia/masa kita ini adalah setetes air yg mengalir bersama tetes2 air lain membentuk sungai. Dunia John dan dunia kita serupa, sama2 seperti tetes air. Dengan mendatangi masa kita, John melompat dari dunianya dan mendarat di dunia kita. Meski masa kita serupa dengan masa lalu dari dunia John, dunai kita bukanlah dunianya. Jika John membunuh kakek kandungnya di dunia kita, kakek John yg asli (yg berasal dari dunia John) akan tetap selamat. Sebab orang yg John bunuh di masa kita adalah orang lain yg serupa tapi tak sama. Jadi intinya, jika kita balik ke masa lalu dan berharap bisa mengubah sesuatu agar masa depan berubah, hal itu takkan bisa terjadi. Sebab perubahan yg terjadi hanya mempengaruhi dunia yg kita datangi.

    Berhubung dunia kita dengan dunia John tidak sama, walaupun serupa, ada beberapa hal yg mungkin tidak akan terjadi menurut "ramalan" John. John menyatakan beberapa kejadian mengerikan dari masanya. Kejadian2 itu mungkin takkan terjadi di dunia kita sebab dunia kita dan dunianya BERBEDA. TAPI dengan kehadirannya di dunia kita dan tindakannya yg membocorkan beberapa event masa depan MUNGKIN telah merubah dunia kita tanpa kita sadari! (contoh: mungkin saja, dunia kita seharusnya tidak bisa menciptakan mesin waktu dalam waktu dekat tapi gara2 John mengobral pengalamannya, ilmuwan2 dunia kita tertantang untuk menciptakan mesin waktu. Alhasil, dunia kita mengenal mesin waktu lebih cepat dari yg seharusnya)

    Menurut rumus Fisika, semakin jauh kita berkelana ke masa lalu, dunia yg kita temui akan semakin berbeda. Mungkin saja di dunia masa lalu yg kita datangi, manusia gagal berevolusi. Dikarenakan hal ini, balik ke masa asal kita juga takkan mudah. Kita akan mendarat di dunia yg serupa tapi tak sama, sama dengan kejadian dalam film seri Sliders.

    Karena jumlah dunia paralel itu tak terhitung, tak mungkin bagi seorang penjelajah waktu untuk kembali ke masa yg sama 2x sebab dia akan mendarat di dunia lain. Jadi John tak bisa kembali mengunjingi dunia kita di tahun 2001 2x atau lebih. Kalaupun ada seorang John Titor lain, maka John itu pasti John yg berasal dari dunia/masa LAIN (yg belum pernah datang ke dunia/masa kita).
    no offence,tapi please yang di quote di baca dan di ngertiin OK

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    Itu hanyalah penjelasan bodoh buat menipu org laen. Itu cuma teori.. Bhkan dkatakan yg ga ngrti *****? Wel apa pembuktian teori tsb? Kal ga ada pembuktian maka dia ga lebih ***** dri org *****. Dan apakah anda2 percya kepada teori ***** tsb?
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    yaaahh mesin waktu belum ditemukan sampai saat ini,so gak ada pembuktian langsung dari semua teori yang di lontarkan tentang mesin waktu.

    tapi menurut penalaranku secara logika teori itulah yang paling memungkinkan dan paling masuk akal dari pada paradox dll.

    bahkan pembuat teori paradoxpun(Stephen Hawking)mengakui bahwa teorinya salah dan mengatakan bahwa teori john titor lebih benar.

    tapi itu smua gak mengatakan bahwa aku itu mengakui bahwa john titor itu benar2 orang dari masa depan,aku hanya bilang bahwa dia punya pengetahuan yang lumayan tentang yg kita bicarakan ini ^^

    skali lagi saudara saudara... no offence

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    Dipikir secara logika,waktu di ulang kembali dengan suatu benda...apakah mungkin ?!?!?

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    hmm..mnrut logika..manusia dengan alat secanggih apapun tdk akan mungkin dapat menembus ruang dan waktu..masa depan itu hal yg belum terjadi...atau pun masa lampau ( masa lalu )..sangat tidak logis apabila kita dapat mencapai masa depan tersebut...padahal di WAKTU yg skrg kita blum mencapai WAKTU masa depan tersebut, jika seperti itu...maka kita sudah berada di dunia lain..

    waktu tidak ada tanpa medium..
    waktu itu abstrak dan dinamis

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    Quote Originally Posted by aki2 View Post
    yaaahh mesin waktu belum ditemukan sampai saat ini,so gak ada pembuktian langsung dari semua teori yang di lontarkan tentang mesin waktu.

    tapi menurut penalaranku secara logika teori itulah yang paling memungkinkan dan paling masuk akal dari pada paradox dll.

    bahkan pembuat teori paradoxpun(Stephen Hawking)mengakui bahwa teorinya salah dan mengatakan bahwa teori john titor lebih benar.

    tapi itu smua gak mengatakan bahwa aku itu mengakui bahwa john titor itu benar2 orang dari masa depan,aku hanya bilang bahwa dia punya pengetahuan yang lumayan tentang yg kita bicarakan ini ^^

    skali lagi saudara saudara... no offence
    Ga perlu membahas tentang time travel dolo.

    gimana caranya membuktikan bahwa dunia ini adalah multiple/parallel universe?

    siapa yg bisa? disitulah letak kebodohan sains..
    memaksakan suatu kehendak hingga melebihi apa yg anak kecil sering lakukan
    yaitu berimajinasi.
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    wuaahh semenjak kk ngomong kek gini :
    Quote Originally Posted by luna_croz View Post
    memaksakan suatu kehendak hingga melebihi apa yg anak kecil sering lakukan
    yaitu berimajinasi.
    gw jadi inget tentang kata kata einstein :
    Quote Originally Posted by gegehare View Post
    9. Berhubungan dengan sifat keanak-anakan Anda
    Einstein pernah berkata bahwa imajinasi lebih penting daripada pengetahuan dan ia menggunakannya pada beberapa eksperimen yang akhirnya membuatnya menemukan perhitungan paling terkenal sepanjang masa (E=MC2).

    Cobalah lihat anak-anak, mereka penuh dengan imajinasi, dan mereka belajar lebih banyak pada tahun-tahun awal kehidupan mereka lebih daripada apa yang kita pelajari selama satu dekade. Bebaskan pikiran Anda dari penjara pikiran “seorang dewasa”, Anda akan menemukan cara berpikir yang belum pernah ada sebelumnya, Anda mungkin akan membuat penemuan besar yang berikutnya.
    bahkan pesawat pun di ciptakan karena imajinasi bodoh ilmuwan Wright bersaudara.

    dan jika di pikir whaaw banget bisa ngontrol sesuatunya(TV,mainan,kipas,dll) dari jarak jauh(imajinasi anak kecil)
    eh skarang dah ketemu yg di namakan remote control(kenyataan dan penemuan yg amat sangat membantu)

    dan kurasa cukup banyak kok penemuan penemuan besar yg berasal dari imajinasi-imajinasi anak kecil,dan ternyata anda bilang bahwa berimajinasi itu adalah hal yang amat bodoh?,whaaaw imajinasi itu menurut gw adalah dasar dari sains dan .penemuan besar

    dan masalah dunia paralel,gw bilang itu adalah yg paling masuk akal tapi......................itu hanya sebuah teori yg bersifat agak impossible(so many impossible theory in this world has made,and a half of them has been proof,and half of them hasn't been proof),but nothing is impossible in this world.

    no offence

    NB:Sory bahasa inggris gw di sekolah rata rata nilainya 6,jadi maklumi ya klo english gw pas pas-an
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    Nothing is impossible..

    Gw percaya John Titor tersebut..
    Anda sekalian mungkin anggap saya aneh/ bodoh karena hampir 100% orang tidak percaya, namun saya percaya..
    Saya percaya ya karena saya percaya..
    Tidak ada alasan, dan sepatutnya anda tidak berhak mengatakan saya benar ataupun saya salah..
    Seperti halnya cinta seseorang terhadap orang lain..
    Mungkin guru Biologi mengatakan cinta itu proses buat anak.. Nah guru Kimia datang dan mengatakan cinta itu adalah semacam reaksi yang berbahaya.. Mereka sama2 menekuni bidang yang berbeda, dan tidak sepatutnya mengatakan bahwa yang lain itu benar/ salah

    no offence.


    John Titor, you got my trust.

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