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    gw colokan di isi dodge+def rating + stamina dikit
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    dodge pastinya kk parry char gw 20% cukup asalkan dodge gw 40% mah no problem

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    NGE DODGE MAH BUAT TB IN TRASHMOB..... xixixixix

    boss2 skrg pake skill kk.. gak bego2 kek dlu... crushing damage pula... mana bisa k block klo itu...

    dodge=ga dapet rage..ga ada rage=gmn maw jaga threat?

    mnding parry....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyApril View Post
    NGE DODGE MAH BUAT TB IN TRASHMOB..... xixixixix

    boss2 skrg pake skill kk.. gak bego2 kek dlu... crushing damage pula... mana bisa k block klo itu...

    dodge=ga dapet rage..ga ada rage=gmn maw jaga threat?

    mnding parry....
    ja elah ga percaya
    ngapein maen TB tukang jamu (stamina)
    gw TB in brutus / archi dll pake dodge gila
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    ah bisa aja kk... ati2 sering WO loh :P

    klo TM mungkin ngga :P

    tp bisa WO juga sih.. TM sekarang dah pinter2 kek bossnya berskill gak mukul2 biasa doang yg bisa di dodge... ROFL
    Last edited by CrazyApril; 04-06-09 at 10:44.

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    kelamaan jadi DPS buru" pengen fury...

    kelamaan Tuba Tebe sana sini... capek pencet" jadi pengen furry lagi...

    gimana yang bener nih @_@

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyApril View Post
    ah bisa aja kk... ati2 sering WO loh :P

    klo TM mungkin ngga :P

    tp bisa WO juga sih.. TM sekarang dah pinter2 kek bossnya berskill gak mukul2 biasa doang yg bisa di dodge... ROFL
    Emang yang ga bisa di-dodge bisa di-parry yach ?


    Hal lain setelah def cap, special hit cap, yang perlu dipertimbangkan adalah ...

    Efektif HP ( terhadap Melee attack)
    Misalkan :
    HP Tank = 20.000
    Nullify Damage Mitigation = 20% ( dodge + parry ), exclude block.
    Damage monster = 200 ( pake ukuran yg kecil biar gampang kalkulasi dan ngasih contohnya )
    Anggap aja defence udah cap ... ( no crushing can occur )
    Tanpa dodge, monster butuh 20.000/200 = 100x untuk bunuh kita ...

    Dengan dodge :
    Efektif HP = 20k * 100/(100-20) = 25k
    Hit = 25K/200 = 125x
    Artinya : Momon butuh 125x hit ( 100x hit dan 25miss/20% ) untuk membunuh tank ...

    Pemilihan Gem

    Kalau
    10 dodge rating = 10 parry rating = 15 stamina
    1% dodge = 18,92 dodge rating = 18,92 parry rating = 0,8% parry
    1% dodge = 28,38 stamina

    Gem ke Parry
    HP = 20.000
    Damage Mitigation = 20,8% ( dodge + parry )
    Efektif HP = 20k * 100/(100-20,8) = 25.252,5

    Gem ke dodge
    HP = 20.000
    Damage Mitigation = 21% ( dodge + parry )
    Efektif HP = 20k * 100/(100-21) = 25.316,5

    Gem ke Stamina
    HP = 20.000 + 283 = 20.283
    Damage Mitigation = 20% ( dodge + parry )
    Efektif HP = 20.283 * 100/(100-20) = 25.353,7 --> Win

    Tentu saja antara dodge dan stamina bisa berubah tergantung status Tank tersebut, bisa jadi dode > stamina ...
    Tapi gemming dodge rating/stamina > parry rating.
    Kalau efektif HP yang dihasilkan sama gw sarankan Stamina ...
    1. karena spell kaga bisa di-dodge/parry
    2. Orang lihat HP gede, pasti bilang ... woooowww

    Keuntungan penambahan parry adalah pengurangan swing timer tank yang berarti more threat.
    Maka untuk pemilihan gear, jika % parry dan dodge yang dihasilkan sama. Pilih yang parry
    Tapi menjaga threat seharusnya bukanlah masalah bagi tank, setidaknya di TBC dan WOTLK.

    Timed run Heroic COS beberapa hari yg lalu ( Enhance Shaman, Feral Druid, Ret Paladin, Prot Warrior, Priest ).
    Boss Infinite Corruptor
    3 detik langsung Bloodlust,
    Burst damage kurang dari 1 menit :
    dps Feral = 4,4K
    dps Shamman = 3,9K
    dps Retadin = 3,7K
    dps Tank = 1,5K

    Tanpa menggunakan Vigilance-pun, Threat tidak pernah beranjak dari Tank ...
    Level Gear tank bisa dibilang sedikit dibawah gear dps dan healer ...

    Di raid apalagi, ada Rogue Trick of the trade, Hunter misdirection, Warrior Vigilance ... Jaga Threat bukan masalah.


    Catatan : Itu cuma itungan asal-asalan gw aja ... Tapi gw pikir maksudnya jelas ...

    Quote Originally Posted by zappoleon View Post
    kelamaan jadi DPS buru" pengen fury...

    kelamaan Tuba Tebe sana sini... capek pencet" jadi pengen furry lagi...

    gimana yang bener nih @_@
    Ga usah bingung ...

    Intinya sich : Asalkan Boss mati, no wipe ---> sukses

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    Ini sebenarnya masalah rada klasik soal pemilihan mo naikin dodge, parry, ato stamina. Klo ga salah ada kok thread di sini yg mbahas untung ruginya masing2x. Di wowwiki juga ada, terutama soal keunggulan dodge dari parry, dan bgitu juga sebaliknya.

    Klo menurut wa, semua tergantung ke sekarang ini lagi trend mo raid apa. Kalau semacam brutalus, sangat disarankan HP TB minimal 16k. Maka klo HP si TB blm mencukupi, silahkan boost ke stamina. Klo lawan boss lain yg mukulnya (melee) sakit dan cepet, maka lbh cocok main dodge/parry. So intinya semua bergantung ke keadaan. Klo wa sendiri, lebih utamain main dodge, asalkan HP dah sekitar 16k.

    Sekedar info, tanker yg mainnya parry tuh death knight di wotlk nanti (CMIIW)

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    wihhhhhkeren2 pendapatnya tq tq banyak asupan

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    Quote Originally Posted by tukul-arwana View Post
    Ini sebenarnya masalah rada klasik soal pemilihan mo naikin dodge, parry, ato stamina. Klo ga salah ada kok thread di sini yg mbahas untung ruginya masing2x. Di wowwiki juga ada, terutama soal keunggulan dodge dari parry, dan bgitu juga sebaliknya.

    Klo menurut wa, semua tergantung ke sekarang ini lagi trend mo raid apa. Kalau semacam brutalus, sangat disarankan HP TB minimal 16k. Maka klo HP si TB blm mencukupi, silahkan boost ke stamina. Klo lawan boss lain yg mukulnya (melee) sakit dan cepet, maka lbh cocok main dodge/parry. So intinya semua bergantung ke keadaan. Klo wa sendiri, lebih utamain main dodge, asalkan HP dah sekitar 16k.
    nah yang ini gw setuju banget
    idealnya sih emang sesuaikan mau lawan bos apa
    tapi ya boros ganti2 gem kan
    sekarang aliran gw stack stamina dulu aja, kalo dah tembus 16k baru stack dodge/parry
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    Emang Brutalus clok stamina bs jg yh...... hmmm....

    Pgn cpt2 WOTLK ui....

    Talent warior kren buat tankingnya.........

    Peace...

    Hoahm.. ZZZzzzz......

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    Default Panduan Gear sebelum Raid

    Comot, edit, nambah dari tankspot.

    Head
    - The Crusader's Resolution ( L79 Quest - Icecrown: The Crusaders' Pinnacle )
    - Tempered Titansteel Helm ( Crafted/AH )
    - Armored Titanium Goggles ( Engineers only )

    Enchant: Arcanum of the Stalwart Protector (Argent Crusade - Revered)
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    Neck
    - Burning Skull Pendant ( AH - Requires L80 )
    - Reinforced Titanium Neckguard ( L80 Quest - Icecrown: The Admiral Revealed )
    - Betrayer's Choker ( L74 Quest - Zul'drak: Betrayal )
    - Chained Military Gorget ( 25 EOH )

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    Shoulder
    - Crusader's Square Pauldrons ( AH )
    - Pauldrons of Reconnaissance ( L76 Quest - Halls of Stone: Halls of Stone )
    - Wapach's Spaulders of Solidarity ( AH - Semoga Anda beruntung )

    Enchant: Lesser Inscription of the Pinnacle (Sons of Hodir - Honored)
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    Cloak
    - Tattered Castle Drape ( AH - Requires L80 )
    - Cloak of Peaceful Resolutions ( Wyrmrest Accord Honored )
    - Durable Nerubhide Cape ( AH )

    Recommended Enchant: +16 defense (titanweave)
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    Chest
    - Breastplate of the Solemn Council ( Wyrmrest Accord Revered )
    - Silver-Plated Battlechest ( L79 Quest - Utgarde Pinnacle: Junk in My Trunk )

    Recommended Enchant: +22 defense (greater defense) or +10 all stats (powerful stats) or +275 HP (super health)
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    Wrists
    - Bracers of Reverence ( L80 Quest - The Oculus: A Wing and a Prayer )
    - Tempered Saronite Bracers ( Crafted/AH )
    - Bracers of Dalaran's Parapets ( AH/60 EOV )

    Recommended Enchant: +15 expertise (expertise) or +6 all stats
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Gloves
    - Gauntlets of Vigilance ( L79 Quest - Storm Peaks: The Reckoning )
    - Refined Ore Gloves ( AH )
    - Daunting Handguards ( Crafted/AH )
    - Fireproven Gauntlets ( Kirin Tor - Exalted )

    Recommended Enchant: +2% threat and +10 parry (armsman)
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    Waist
    - Waistguard of Living Iron ( 40 EOH )
    - Waistguard of the Risen Knight ( AH )
    - Tempered Saronite Belt ( Crafted/AH )

    Recommended Augment: Eternal Belt Buckle for an extra socket
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Legs
    - Daunting Legplates ( Crafted/AH )
    - Special Issue Legplates ( Argent Crusade Honored )

    Recommended Enchant: Frosthide Leg Armor (+55 stamina, +22 agility)
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    Feet
    - Sabatons of Draconic Vigor ( Wyrmrest Accord Revered )
    - Toxin-Tempered Sabatons ( Knights of the Ebon Blade Honored )
    - Tempered Titansteel Treads ( Craft/AH )
    - Inexorable Sabatons ( AH - Semoga Anda Beruntung )

    Recommended Enchant: +15 stamina/speed (Tuskarr's Vit) or +22 stamina (Greater Fort) or Heavy Borean Armor Kit (+18 stamina)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rings
    - Staunch Signet ( L78 Quest - The Oculus: The Struggle Persists )
    - Kurzel's Warband ( L73 Quest - Drak'tharon Keep: Search and Rescue )
    - Solid Platinum Band ( L76 Quest - Gundrak: For Posterity )
    - Signet of the Accord ( AH - Semoga beruntung )
    - Titanium Earthguard Ring ( Craft/AH )

    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Trinkets
    - Repelling Charge ( 40 EOH )
    Profession :
    1. Jewelcrafters : craft Figurine - Monarch Crab
    2. Alchemists : craft Indestructible Alchemist's Stone
    3. Engineers : craft/buy Sonic Booster
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    Weapon
    - Blade of the Empty Void ( L80 Quest - Icecrown: Tirion's Gambit )
    - Fang of Truth ( Wyrmrest Accord Honored )
    - Hammer of Quiet Mourning ( L75 Quest - Zul'Drak: Wanted: Ragemane's Flipper )
    - Sword of Heartwrenching Slaughter ( L75 Quest - Zul'Drak: Wanted: Ragemane's Flipper )

    Recommended Enchant: +26 agil (exceptional agility) or +25 hit/crit (accuracy) or +self healing (lifeward)
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Shield
    - Saronite Bulwark ( Crafted/AH )
    - Bulwark of the Warchief ( Horde Expedition Revered )
    - Shield of the Lion-hearted ( Alliance Vanguard Revered )
    - Titansteel Shield Wall ( Crafting/AH )

    Recommended Enchant: +20 defense
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    Ranged (warriors)
    - Weighted Throwing Axe ( L80 Quest - The Storm Peaks: Changing the Wind's Course )
    -------------------------------------------------------------------
    Last edited by Dizzy; 10-07-09 at 10:13.

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    dah tuh gw update. Max Item naxx (H). Ulduar masi eror soalnya, LoL

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    malygos + ulduar unlock donk... mo nambahin listnya ne.. lol

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