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    Default [Discuss]New Aghaim Scepter

    * Aghanim's Scepter: Upgraded Chain Frost doesn't improve bounce count, only damage
    * Aghanim's Scepter: Upgraded Eclipse cooldown no longer improves, only the Lucent Beam count gets upgraded
    * Aghanim's Scepter: Upgraded Laguna Blade level 3 damage reduced by 100
    * Aghanim's Scepter: Upgraded Life Drain cooldown removed and damage reduced (170/200/300->150/200/250)
    * Aghanim's Scepter: Upgraded Mass Serpent Wards bonus count nerfed (12->10)
    * Aghanim's Scepter: Upgraded Sonic Wave cooldown reduced from 120/100/75 to 110 (Still improves from original 135 cd and via damage)
    * Aghanim's Scepter: Removed from Ogre Magi (Might return it later after the rework has time to settle in first)

    * Added Bane Elemental to Aghanim's Scepter. Deals more damage
    * Added Butcher to Aghanim's Scepter. Deals damage based on his strength and aborbs that to heal himself. Damage from a constant 75/125/175 per second to 75/125/175 + 0.75 x Strength per second
    * Added Clockwerk Goblin to Aghanim's Scepter. Allows latching onto allies and reduces cooldown from 80/60/40 to 20 seconds
    * Added Faceless Void to Aghanim's Scepter. Lasts 1 second longer and slightly less cooldown
    * Added Holy Knight to Aghanim's Scepter. Dramatically reduces cooldown from 120 to 30
    * Added Invoker to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves Cooldown and Manacost (30/25/12/5-> 16/8/4/2 cd, 20/50/80/110->0 manacost)
    * Added Juggernaut to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves Slash Count and Cooldown (+2 slashes, -20 cd)
    * Added Lord of Avernus to Aghanim's Scepter. Increased duration by 2 seconds
    * Added Nightstalker to Aghanim's Scepter. Gives unobstructed vision at night
    * Added Pandaren Brewmaster to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves the power of the Pandas and adds more duration
    * Added Sacred Warrior to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves Damage and cooldown (50->65% damage, 45/30/15->24/16/8 Seconds)
    * Added Sand King to Aghanim's Scepter. Adds an extra pulse and lowers cooldown (+1 Pulse, -20 cd)
    * Added Shadow Priest to Aghanim's Scepter. Increased Weave duration by 6 seconds. Added 200 AOE
    * Added Spiritbreaker to Aghanim's Scepter. Dramatically reduces cooldown from 75 to 20 seconds
    * Added Techies to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves Damage and Cast Range (300/450/600->450/600/750 damage and 500->900 range cast range)
    * Added Twin Head Dragon to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves spawn time and damage (75/125/175->125/175/225 dmg)
    * Added Vengeful Spirit to Aghanim's Scepter. Improves Cooldown (45->10 cd)
    * Added Windrunner to Aghanim's Scepter. Does not reduce damage from secondary item effects. Cooldown from 60 to 15.

    Bener2 Jadi ga imbang
    -Pugna=Life Drain No Cooldown? apaan nih, unlimited HP ini
    -Invoker=Jelas2 Cooldown cuma 2, no manacost. kalo skill2nya hafal. GG dah
    -Chen=WTF,Cooldown Hand of God dari 120 jadi 30? apa2an neh, gila amet.
    -Barathum=Nether Strike cooldown cuma 20?, ketemu bara=ga bisa kabur ama dia
    -Pudge=Di tambah 0.75x dari STR,Kalo udah ada taras 4,bakal sakit banget itu
    -Shendelzare Silkwood=10 Detik Cooldownya? buset itumah bisa pindah2 terus
    Cma 70 huruf doang? cape ah.

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    @atas
    ga juga Pugna, meskipun cooldown 0
    mana costnya diliat kk...emang Pugna punya unlimited mana?zzz

    invoker ga gtu guna, karena standard, orang biasanya EEW ama QWE, abis itu invoke buat siap2 QQW

    baranya emang IMBA betul
    Pudgenya juga, absorbs HPnya yang bikin IMBA..tinggal dismember, HP full lagi deh
    venge juga imba betul, main culiknya gampang bener
    chennya sih biasa aja..tapi agak IMBA, tapi ga imba2 bener...heal HP kok, coba zeus yang digituin, nah baru IMBA

    huskar parah!bener2 ama rotun, kalo dua-duanya aghanim waduh, axe darah full lgsg lewat!GPL!
    focus fire juga imba kk,max aspd, cooldown 15?wew..apalagi damage item ga dikurangin!buset!
    abadon juga coy, gmana bunuhnya?borrowed timenya jadi lama itu...
    Fiend Gripnya atro parah, damage level 3 udah 1075 total, mau ditambah lagi!jadi brapa kk?
    yah hero favorit gw udah ga bisa scepter lagi...hiks2


    gw rasa 6.60b bakal keluar segera dan aghanim bakal dinerf deh, yakiN!

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    * Aghanim's Scepter: Removed from Ogre Magi (Might return it later after the rework has time to settle in first)
    ini maksudnya ogremagi make agahim gak ada improve ulti lagi???

    terus klo ga bisa pake agahim chance mulltinya cuman 20% doang dong..kecil amad...
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    Old Multicast:
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    lvl 1 - 20% for 2. [Scepter: 30% for 3]
    lvl 2 - 20% for 3. [Scepter: 30% for 4]
    lvl 3 - 20% for 4. [Scepter: 30% for 5]


    New Multicast:
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    lvl 1 - 30% for 2.
    lvl 2 - 45% for 2 or 22.5% for 3
    lvl 3 - 60% for 2 or 30% for 3 or 15% for 4.

    No scepter upgrades

    Example: Level 2 has 50% chance for at least 2x and a 25% for 3.

    jadi di rbah kek gini ..
    tambah gila multicast ny .. huhu
    makin sering kluar ..

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    IMO gw gak yakin aghanim bakal di nerf...... aghanim yang dulu harganya terlalu mahal dan hampir unusable...... yg sekarang harganya cukup murah (dibanding dulu) dan lebih banyak hero yg bisa make, meskipun begitu usefullnes aghanim sebagai core item masih diperdebatkan.....

    sekilas emang rasanya ulti dari hero2 yang bisa pake aghanim jadi luar biasa sadisnya...... tapi sebenernya cukup dilema untuk membeli aghanim sebagai core item...... membeli aghanim untuk hero2 tertentu bisa berarti mengorbankan berbagai item yang penting yang diperlukan pada tahap game selanjutnya..... hero seperti huskar, barathum, dan balanar misalnya, bakal kehilangan item damage yang mereka perlukan (atau setidaknya memperlama mereka untuk mendapatkan core item yg diperlukan).

    btw seandainya aghanim di nerf..... yang paling mungkin rasanya me-nerf upgrade ultimate dari hero2 yang terlalu diuntungkan oleh item ini.... bukan aghanimnya sendiri.... ngasih statusnya sudah minimal bgt tuh.... cuman +10 all stat, 200 HP, dan 150 Mana....

    IMO hero2 yang bener2 diuntungin oleh item ini:
    - Hero2 lama yg ultinya bisa diupgrade pake aghanim dan tidak di-nerf upgradenya di 6.60 (i.e: Zeus, Necrolyte, dll)
    - Holy Knight: Extra global healing tiap 30 detik kerasa bgt tuh.....
    - Invoker: kalo jago mircoing.... sadis ne... macem2 skill bisa keluar
    - Goblin Techies: extra mana + hp, ulti tambah jauh cast rangenya dan lebih gede damagenya.....
    selain dari hero2 diatas, saya rasa Aghanim lebih baik jadi item 'pelengkap' aja..... buatnya ntar setelah sebagian besar core item jadi....

    untuk hero2 lain.... menimbang dari sisi cost-benefitnya... menurut saya:
    - Pudge: Dismember cuman bener2 kerasa damagenya awal2..... late game cuman jadi skill disabler doank..... 4300 mending buat beli item laen....
    - Barathum: mending incar sange yasha ato item damage yg laen dulu..... 20 sec cooldown toh tetep aja hampir gak mungkin dipake 2x dalam 1 ********....
    - Balanar: cuman nambahin pandangan..... mending mata... murah meriah meskipun gak ngasih status tambahan..... (kalo sekalian ngasih true sight seh boleh dipikirkan )
    - Atropos: Extra damage? kayaknya mending dagon ajah.....
    - Windrunner: biarpun cooldownya jadi cepet tapi tetep aja butuh mananya luar biasa gak wajar.....
    - Sandking: Cooldown cuma berkurang 20.... bonus 1 extra wave.... not worthed gw bilang
    - Vengeful: Cooldown ulti yang gak wajar cepetnya.... tapi kayaknya saya tetep lebi prefer lothar dl...
    - Void: Nambah durasi 1 detik doank..... bener2 not worthed. chrono 5 detik + item damage seharga 4300 > chrono 6 detik (beda cerita seh kalo memposisikan chrononya bener2 tepat dan temen anda ranged ato nuker mua...)
    - Yurnero: sama ama pendapat saya mengenai void... meskipun disini dapat extra 20s cooldown
    - Huskar: dengan cooldown 8s memungkinkan bisa ulti 2x dalam 1x ********, tapi kayaknya tetep aja kurang worthed.... mending core item yg laen....
    - Avernus: Extra kebal 2s cukup sadis seh.... tapi dengan 4300 anda udah bisa bikin item yang buat hero ini jadi jauh lebih badak lagi, dan itu saya rasa lebih baik daripada extra kebal 2s

    apa lg yah....

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    Yg paling enak Chen tuh..

    lv 3 heal 400 hp consume 400 mana...

    buset, allies jadi kaya dapat asuransi klo bokong....wkwkwk

    DOTA HAS LEFT ME IN DESPAIR

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    klo yurnero worth loh

    dy tambah bonus pukulan 2 cooldown -20s kek na bonus damage tiap pukulan jg naek coba aj pas msh beta aj 10 pukulan test lwan 2 hero modal BF 1 double kk yurne worth itu coba aj

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    ehem..
    menurut gw yg paling sadis skrg tuh ogre,tanpa aganim aja multi keluar terus..gila gak??
    yg paling terasa manfaat nya pke aganim tuh venge,

    venge = force staff + aganim,, <-- kebayang ga??

    force staff ke atas batu,trus swap,
    swap jadi 10s cooldown..
    gw pernah nih,malah sering,
    musuh jadi stuck 60 detik klo dia ktik -unstuck,
    sukur klo musuhnya bawa portal,ya klo kaga..

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    menurut gw yg paling sadis skrg tuh ogre,tanpa aganim aja multi keluar terus..gila gak??
    kalo ogre pake aghanim malah jd lawak -_-

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    Shadow Priest juga pake aganim jadi GG tuh weave-nyaditambah 6 sec. Armor bisa minus brapa tuh?


    Coba aja broodmother ada aganim, kaya apa y
    Lifesteal 100 %



    Ada kalau ga Mirana ada aganimnya, turunin cd Moonlight Shadownya. Ulti Mirana itu salah satu ulti yang punya delay lama 160 sec
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    Broodmother bisa pake aghaim= ancur tuh dota
    ampe 100% lifesteal=ancur tuh dota

    pugna ama invoker yang gw heran
    tadi gw coba pake invoker, pada ngacir semua juga. gw combo2in terus. ampe ultrakill.eh ngacir semua

    pugna juga,juga pada ngacir.mana cost cuma 200. itu gpp kali. pugna juga cuma berapa kali kok.kira2 cuma 4-5x
    Cma 70 huruf doang? cape ah.

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    haha
    pugna modal bkb aja bisa keren tuh tapi kayak nya bakal tetep jadi kerupuk deh, yg keren tuh pudge kalo aghanim gila darah stgh gw dismember penuh lagi @_@

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    yg imba mah Barathum...

    itu nether strike cuman 20 detik CD nya...

    ya ampun...susah banget mw kabur klo duel ama bara....
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    semua tetep jadi IMBA...tp juga yg IMBA2 itu jadi lembek koq...
    semua cukup imbang koq..cuma di IMBAin aja...karna belom biasa aja makanya bilang curang..
    waktu loe2 pada maen dota pertama x juga gitu..
    wjar la..

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    imba ni tecis kemaren gw coba main enak bner

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