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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy-K View Post

    well done mister know it all
    Wakakkaa.. ini baru no cure..
    suasana semakin memanas..

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    **** atas gw cuman tau komporin
    yang suka becanda autis, BACA

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    *ehem*

    Quote Originally Posted by 3agl3one View Post
    emang "GAY" itu pilihan !!!!
    coba kasih 1 bukti, klo ada laki2 yang sejak dilahirkan, dia sudah ditakdirkan menjadi "GAY"
    klo ada, gw bakal buat thread disetiap sub forum yang ada di Indogamers klo gw salah (walau harus kena ban)
    *ehem*

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy-K View Post

    Gay biasanya dipengaruhi oleh keluarga dan lingkungan
    emang lo bisa milih lahir dimana dan siapa orang tuanya?

    dan tambahan sedikit:




    Being gay 'is genetic'
    2005-09-16 09:08
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    Why is science being ignored in the raging debate about the position gays should or could occupy in practising religion?

    I ask this because many religious people condemn the gay minister of St Stephen's Dutch Reformed Church in Cape Town, Laurie Gaum, for being openly gay and agree with their church commission's decision to defrock him because of it.

    And listening to hundreds of self-righteous callers on radio talk-shows who use only their Holy Books to condemn homosexuality as sinful while ignoring science, I once again want to emphasise the call for a return to rational thinking that I argued in this column last week ("Switch on the baloney detectors").

    Moreleta Park's Dutch Reformed Church in Pretoria wages an astonishingly naive and hypocritical campaign against gays, with its ministers and anti-gay church members openly proclaiming gays can be "cured" from their "sickness" - by converting to Christianity, or praying long and hard enough.

    Even worse: many people sitting in judgment make no distinction between gays and common criminals and other sinners, again trusting only the archaic views of their Holy Scriptures.

    Biological traits cannot be overruled!

    As if biological traits can be overruled and ignored that easily! Where is science in all of this? And what do scientists say about the phenomenon of homosexuality? Why do theologians and many religious people continue to ignore the findings of science about homosexuality?

    It's a disgrace that the whole debate in the NGK, and other churches, as well among Muslim communities, continues to apply the norms of dated Holy Books written in the Dark Ages between 2 000 and 1 500 years ago.

    And in a scientific age when modern science has found ample evidence that being gay has a biological foundation. That gay people are not abnormal, but a biological variation that cannot be prayed and forced into a heterosexual state of mind.

    A young man, Matthew Shepard, is tied to a fence and beaten to death in Wyoming because he is gay; more than 50 gays, some of them young boys in their puberty, are "legally" executed on the orders of Iranian mullahs because of their genetic sexual orientation.

    Laurie Gaum is evicted as minister because his genes do not conform to the mental framework of genes prescribed by the NGK. Just three scandalous examples.

    The evidence

    Let me give attention to only two scientific studies. There are hundreds of others readers can easily find on the internet.

    It is outrageous that the results of two laboratory studies, published as far back as 1991 and 1993 in Science, are still ignored by religious fanatics. Simon LeVay, "A Difference in Hypothalamic Structure Between Heterosexual and Homosexual Men," Science, Vol 253, No 5023 (August 30, 1991), pp 1034-1037, and Dean Hamer et al, Science, Vol 261 (1993), pp 321-327 have come to conclusions that clearly show a biological link in the sexual orientation of people.

    LeVay, a neuroscientist at the Salk Institute for Biological Sciences in San Diego, California, conducted autopsies on 19 gay men, 16 straight men, and 6 heterosexual women at 7 hospitals in New York and California.

    He dissected the forebrain of the deceased and found the hypothalamus gland in both the women and the gay men were less than half the size of those in the straight men.

    LeVay concluded that his study "suggests that sexual orientation has a biological substrate" - which refutes the so-called reparative therapy - "God can heal you" - so many anti-gay, pro-the-Holy-Books-at-all-costs-religious people propose to gay people.

    The National Cancer Institute study lead by Hamer, a Harvard trained geneticist, looked at 40 families with two gay brothers. Hamer and his team found evidence in 33 of the pairs for a genetically maternal influence in the determination of male homosexuality.

    According to Hamer there was a clear "correlation between homosexual orientation and the inheritance of polymorphic markers on the X chromosome," which gay men receive from their mothers.

    Readers can also do a survey of other similar studies by scientists such as LeVay, J Michael Bailey, Richard C Pillard, Dennis McFadden and Edward Pasanen, to mention just a few of the surveys refuting the absurd and unscientific arguments of religious fundamentalists.

    A good overview of the debate can also be found in the article Gays and Genes by Andrew Hacker in The New York Review of Books, March 27 2003.

    May I repeat my plea: give science its rightful place and allow the voice of scientific reason to be heard.



    Source: http://www.news24.com/News24/Columni...767311,00.html



    dan tambahan lagi:


    http://www.livescience.com/health/060224_gay_genes.html


    Health
    Mom's Genetics Could Produce Gay Sons

    By Ker Than, LiveScience Staff Writer

    posted: 24 February 2006 09:22 am ET

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    The arrangement of a mother's genes could affect the sexual orientation of her son, according to a new study.

    The finding, detailed in the February issue of the journal Human Genetics, adds fuel to the decade-long debate about whether so-called "gay genes" might exist.

    The researchers examined a phenomenon called "X chromosome inactivation" in 97 mothers of gay sons and 103 mothers whose sons were not gay.

    X and Y

    Chromosomes are large thread-like molecules that contain an organism's genetic instructions. Humans have 23 chromosome pairs. The X chromosome is one of two sex chromosomes in mammals; the other is the Y chromosome. Females have two X chromosomes and no Y's, while males have one X and one Y.

    Even though women have two X chromosomes, only one is functional because the other is inactivated through a process called "methylation."

    "It gets wrapped up in a ball and is not used with the exception of a few genes," explained study leader Sven Bocklandt of the University of California, Los Angeles.

    If one of the females' X chromosomes is not turned off, then there is too much genetic material, which can lead to a harmful overabundance of proteins. Down syndrome, for example, results from the presence of an extra copy of chromosome 21.

    Big difference

    Normally, X chromosome inactivation occurs at random: half of the cells in a woman's body will have one X chromosome inactivated, while the other half inactivates the other chromosome.

    However, when the researchers in the current study examined cells from the 42 mothers who had at least two gay sons, they found that about a quarter of the women in this group showed something different.

    "Every single cell that we looked at in these women inactivated the same X chromosome," Bocklandt told LiveScience. "That's highly unusual."

    In contrast, only 4 percent of mothers with no gay sons and 13 percent of those with just one gay son showed this type of extreme skewing.

    Bocklandt thinks this suggest that a mother's X chromosomes partly influences whether her son is gay or not.

    "We think that there are one or more genes on the X chromosome that have an effect on the sexual orientation of the sons of these mothers, as well as an effect on the cells we were looking at," Bocklandt said.

    Other chromosomes implicated

    Bocklandt was also involved in an earlier study that looked at the entire human genome of men who had two or more gay brothers. The researchers found identical stretches of DNA on three chromosomes—7, 8 and 10—that were shared by about 60 percent of the gay brothers in the study.

    That study also found mothers to have an unusually large role in their son's sexual orientation: the region on chromosome 10 correlated with homosexuality only if it was inherited from the mother.

    The results from these two studies suggest that there are multiple genetic factors involved in determining a person's sexual orientation and that it might vary depending on the person.

    "We think that there are going to be some gay men who are X chromosome gay men and some who are chromosome 7 gay men or chromosome 10 gay men or some combination," Bocklandt said in a telephone interview.

    Most researchers now think that there is no single gay gene that controls whether a person is homosexual or not. Rather, it's the influence of multiple genes, combined with environmental influences, which ultimately determine whether a person is gay.

    A touchy subject

    Research into the genetics of sexual orientation is controversial. Religious leaders who believe that sexual orientation is a choice argue that such research is an attempt to legitimize homosexuality; others worry that a detailed knowledge of the genetics underlying homosexuality will open the door to genetic engineering that prevents it.

    But Bocklandt doesn't think these concerns should prevent scientists from asking the basic question of whether homosexuality has an underlying genetic component to it or not.

    "I have no doubt that at some point we'll be able to manipulate all sorts of aspects of our personality and physical appearance," Bocklandt said. "I think if there's ever a time when we can make these changes for sexual orientation, then we will also be able to do it for intelligence or musical skills or certain physical characteristics—but whether or not these things are allowed to happen is something that society as a whole has to decide. It's not a scientific question.
    *ehem* lagi

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy-K View Post
    oh theres some good comment to read:

    "The researchers examined a phenomenon called "X chromosome inactivation" in 97 mothers of gay sons and 103 mothers whose sons were not gay."

    "That study also found mothers to have an unusually large role in their son's sexual orientation: the region on chromosome 10 correlated with homosexuality only if it was inherited from the mother."

    "...others worry that a detailed knowledge of the genetics underlying homosexuality will open the door to genetic engineering that prevents it. But Bocklandt doesn't think these concerns should prevent scientists from asking the basic question of whether homosexuality has an underlying genetic component to it or not. "I have no doubt that at some point we'll be able to manipulate all sorts of aspects of our personality and physical appearance," Bocklandt said"

    All conception is heterosexual. So the hard question is this. If abortion remains legal, how many mothers, who didn't deliberately choose a homosexual partner to conceive a life, will still choose life if they know? Will they even tell their man?

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    gw bukan kompor.. gw hanya seorang mirana yang imba.. wakakak~

    dah lah dibahas juga kagak ada abisnya..

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    sejak lahir atau karena pengaruh lingkungan/keluarga?
    mungkin bisa dibedakan dikit. yang namanya takdir dari lahir itu, emang ketika lahir, udah divonis seperti itu, bkn karena pergaulan/keluarganya. orang yang cacat mental, ya emang dari kecil seperti itu. adik gw divonis matanya mengalami kerusakan, emang dari bayi/lahir, bukan waktu dia umur 4-5 tahun atau waktu dia gede. Atau adik sepupu temen gw divonis autis ya sejak dia lahir, bukan karena pengaruh keluarga/pergaulan.

    yang namanya "gay" itu, 80% karena pengaruh lingkungan/keluarga. ketika seorang anak laki-laki mendapat kekerasan seksual dari "sesama jenis", tidak mendapat gambaran seorang "ayah" yang benar, atau karena kekerasan rumah tangga, besar kemungkinan dia akan mengalami penyimpangan kelakukan seksual/mental. sisanya mungkin karena gaya hidup.
    Last edited by 3agl3one; 20-08-09 at 17:21.
    yang suka becanda autis, BACA

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    gw masih menunggu:

    Quote Originally Posted by 3agl3one View Post
    emang "GAY" itu pilihan !!!!
    coba kasih 1 bukti, klo ada laki2 yang sejak dilahirkan, dia sudah ditakdirkan menjadi "GAY"
    klo ada, gw bakal buat thread disetiap sub forum yang ada di Indogamers klo gw salah (walau harus kena ban)

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    kembali ke pribadi masing2 aja..
    apakah gw salah?
    apakah gw ini
    apakah gw itu..

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    gini dik, lu ngerti kan yang dimaksud takdir dari lahir/ cacat sejak lahir? penelitian diatas dibuat dari sample orang2 yang sudah menjadi "GAY". ada ga pernyataan, anak bayi mengidap kelainan seksual "GAY"? minimal anak umur 4-5 tahun dech
    yang namanya penyimpangan seksual itu baru keliatan ketika beranjak akil baliQ/mengenal sex, apa pun jenisnya
    Spoiler untuk jenis penyimpangan seksual :
    1. Homoseksual / **** / Homoseks
    Homosexual adalah kelaianan di mana seseorang menyukai ornag lain sesama jenis. Pada laki-laki disebut gay dan pada wanita disebut lesbian / *****.

    2. Sadomasokisme dan Masokisme
    Sadomasokisme adalah penyimpangan seksual yang mendapat kenikmatan seks setelah menyakiti pasangan seksnya.
    Sedangkan Masokisme adalah kelianan seks yang menikmati seks jika terlebih dahulu disiksa oleh pasangannya.

    3. Ekshibisionisme / Ekshibisionis
    Adalah penyimpangan seks yang senang memperlihatkan alat vital / alat kelamin kepada orang lain. Penderita penyimpangan seksual ini akan suka dan terangsang jika orang lain takjub, terkejut, takut, jijik, dan lain sebagainya.

    4. Fetishisme / Fetishi
    Fetishisme adalah suatu perilaku seks meyimpang yang suka menyalurkan kepuasan seksnya dengan cara onani / masturbasi dengan benda-benda mati seperti gaun, bando, selendang sutra, bh, sempak, kancut, kaus kaki, dsb.

    5. Voyeurisme / Voyeur
    Pelaku penyimpangan seks ini mendapatkan kepuasan seksual dengan melihat atau mengintip orang lain yang sedang melakukan hubungan suami isteri (Scoptophilia), sedang telanjang, sedang mandi, dan sebagainya.

    6. Pedophilia / Pedophil / ********* / Pedofil
    Adalah orang dewasa yang yang suka melakukan hubungan seks / kontak fisik yang merangsang dengan anak di bawah umur.

    7. Bestially
    Bestially adalah manusia yang suka melakukan hubungan seks dengan binatang seperti kambing, kerbau, sapi, kuda, ayam, bebek, ******, kucing, dan lain sebagainya.

    8. Incest
    Adalah hubungan seks dengan sesama anggota keluarga sendiri non suami istri seperti antara ayah dan anak perempuan dan ibu dengna anak cowok.

    9. Necrophilia / Necrofil
    Adalah orang yang suka melakukan hubungan seks denganorang yang sudah menjadi mayat / orang mati.

    10. Zoophilia
    Zoofilia adalah orang yang senang dan terangsang melihat hewan melakukan hubungan seks dengan hewan.

    11. Sodomi
    Sodomi adalah pria yang suka berhubungan seks melalui dubur pasangan seks baik pasangan sesama jenis (****) maupun dengan pasangan perempuan.

    12. Frotteurisme / Frotteuris
    Yaitu suatu bentuk kelainan sexual di mana seseorang laki-laki mendapatkan kepuasan seks dengan jalan menggesek-gesek / menggosok-gosok alat kelaminnya ke tubuh perempuan di tempat publik / umum seperti di kereta, pesawat, bis, dll.


    bisa dimengerti? yang gw butuhin bukti spesifik, klo ada anak bayi yang emang dijudge sejak lahir mengalami penyimpangan seksual (dalam hal ini "gay")
    Last edited by 3agl3one; 20-08-09 at 17:31.
    yang suka becanda autis, BACA

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3agl3one View Post
    gini dik, lu ngerti kan yang dimaksud takdir dari lahir/ cacat sejak lahir? penelitian diatas dibuat dari sample orang2 yang sudah menjadi "GAY". ada ga pernyataan, anak bayi mengidap kelainan seksual "GAY"? minimal anak umur 4-5 tahun dech
    yang namanya penyimpangan seksual itu baru keliatan ketika beranjak akil baliQ/mengenal sex, apa pun jenisnya
    Spoiler untuk jenis penyimpangan seksual :
    1. Homoseksual / **** / Homoseks
    Homosexual adalah kelaianan di mana seseorang menyukai ornag lain sesama jenis. Pada laki-laki disebut gay dan pada wanita disebut lesbian / *****.

    2. Sadomasokisme dan Masokisme
    Sadomasokisme adalah penyimpangan seksual yang mendapat kenikmatan seks setelah menyakiti pasangan seksnya.
    Sedangkan Masokisme adalah kelianan seks yang menikmati seks jika terlebih dahulu disiksa oleh pasangannya.

    3. Ekshibisionisme / Ekshibisionis
    Adalah penyimpangan seks yang senang memperlihatkan alat vital / alat kelamin kepada orang lain. Penderita penyimpangan seksual ini akan suka dan terangsang jika orang lain takjub, terkejut, takut, jijik, dan lain sebagainya.

    4. Fetishisme / Fetishi
    Fetishisme adalah suatu perilaku seks meyimpang yang suka menyalurkan kepuasan seksnya dengan cara onani / masturbasi dengan benda-benda mati seperti gaun, bando, selendang sutra, bh, sempak, kancut, kaus kaki, dsb.

    5. Voyeurisme / Voyeur
    Pelaku penyimpangan seks ini mendapatkan kepuasan seksual dengan melihat atau mengintip orang lain yang sedang melakukan hubungan suami isteri (Scoptophilia), sedang telanjang, sedang mandi, dan sebagainya.

    6. Pedophilia / Pedophil / ********* / Pedofil
    Adalah orang dewasa yang yang suka melakukan hubungan seks / kontak fisik yang merangsang dengan anak di bawah umur.

    7. Bestially
    Bestially adalah manusia yang suka melakukan hubungan seks dengan binatang seperti kambing, kerbau, sapi, kuda, ayam, bebek, ******, kucing, dan lain sebagainya.

    8. Incest
    Adalah hubungan seks dengan sesama anggota keluarga sendiri non suami istri seperti antara ayah dan anak perempuan dan ibu dengna anak cowok.

    9. Necrophilia / Necrofil
    Adalah orang yang suka melakukan hubungan seks denganorang yang sudah menjadi mayat / orang mati.

    10. Zoophilia
    Zoofilia adalah orang yang senang dan terangsang melihat hewan melakukan hubungan seks dengan hewan.

    11. Sodomi
    Sodomi adalah pria yang suka berhubungan seks melalui dubur pasangan seks baik pasangan sesama jenis (****) maupun dengan pasangan perempuan.

    12. Frotteurisme / Frotteuris
    Yaitu suatu bentuk kelainan sexual di mana seseorang laki-laki mendapatkan kepuasan seks dengan jalan menggesek-gesek / menggosok-gosok alat kelaminnya ke tubuh perempuan di tempat publik / umum seperti di kereta, pesawat, bis, dll.


    bisa dimengerti? yang gw butuhin bukti spesifik, klo ada anak bayi yang emang dijudge sejak lahir mengalami penyimpangan seksual (dalam hal ini "gay")
    yang jelas anak umur 4-5 tahun pasti tidak akan tertarik
    dengan lawan jenisnya karena memang belum umurnya.

    apa ada gitu anak bayi udah bisa horny liat bokep?

    oh by the way..
    yang diteliti bukan orang "gay"nya tapi Ibunya..
    hey.. lo baca apa kagak sih?

    dan in case yang diteliti orang Gaynya.
    Kromosom itu tidak berubah dari lahir sampe mati..

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    Pendapat orang berbeda beda.bebas mengutarakan pendapat pun adalah suatu perbedaan pada tiap2 manusia.dari pada menyalahkan statement org lain,lebiH baik kita menelaah,apakah CARA penyampaian kita sdh tepat atau belum.

    Saya br belajar 1 hal disini,di thread ini,karena saya org INTELEK,maka besok2 kalo saya sdg kesal,saya akan berkata "APA KATA DUBUR LO AJA DEH!" Wkwkwk...

    Hayo siapa yg emosi?jgn kalah ama gw..gw aj ud lama ga keluarin emosi negatif..ha9..

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    Wakakaka..
    ini mah gak ada ujungnya,yang satu Benar,yang satu lagi selalu benar,
    gak ada ujungnya ini.. wkkwkw

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    Lebih baik pada kerjaan/kesibukan masing2...
    Yg lbh berguna...
    Daripada debat ky gni...
    Isiny cm hinaan/macamnya ky gni...

    Apa ga capek ngetik panjang2??
    Udah2...
    Kembali ke diri masing2 aja...

    IMO...

    Kl tetep g mw, alias terus debat/adu siapa yg bener atau siapa yg salah...
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    Quote Originally Posted by whin_whin03 View Post
    Pendapat orang berbeda beda.bebas mengutarakan pendapat pun adalah suatu perbedaan pada tiap2 manusia.dari pada menyalahkan statement org lain,lebiH baik kita menelaah,apakah CARA penyampaian kita sdh tepat atau belum.

    Saya br belajar 1 hal disini,di thread ini,karena saya org INTELEK,maka besok2 kalo saya sdg kesal,saya akan berkata "APA KATA DUBUR LO AJA DEH!" Wkwkwk...

    Hayo siapa yg emosi?jgn kalah ama gw..gw aj ud lama ga keluarin emosi negatif..ha9..
    keren kan kata2 Moderator idgs banget kita..
    mestinya gw ™ soalnya itu kata2 erik..
    marah dia kalau gw ikut2in..






    masalah penyampaian yang kurang baik itu gampang..
    gw tinggal minta maaf ngomong kalau gw terlalu kasar dan bla bla..

    lah ini:

    Quote Originally Posted by 3agl3one View Post
    emang "GAY" itu pilihan !!!!
    coba kasih 1 bukti, klo ada laki2 yang sejak dilahirkan, dia sudah ditakdirkan menjadi "GAY"
    klo ada, gw bakal buat thread disetiap sub forum yang ada di Indogamers klo gw salah (walau harus kena ban)
    apa kabar?









    oh by the way..
    udah ada yang nonton Film Cint(T)a?

    itu film bagus...
    nanti gw buat threadnya
    Last edited by Andy-K; 20-08-09 at 17:49.

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    itu bukti? ada statement dari salah satu pengidap "gay" yang orangtuanya/ dokter yang blg waktu seorang anak keluar dari rahim ibunya, "wah anak saya laki2 tapi gay/prempuan tapi *****" "maaf, anak ibu laki2 tapi gay/perempuan tp ***** ????? penelitian hanya dilakukan kepada orang tua "gay" atau wanita yang punya pasangan hidup/garis keturunan "gay"

    dan sampai saat ini, tidak pernah saya dapati, ada pernyataan dari segi medis "gay" itu "penyakit" cacat bawaan dari lahir. nanti klo udah tahu yang namanya sex, baru bisa digolongkan seseorang itu punya kelainan sex atau tidak, jadi bukan cacat dari lahir !!!

    owh maw minta maaf ya, GG gan
    dari awal gw protes kata2 lu, ada tersirat keinginan untuk minta maaf?



    that's so funny, orang intelek seperti gini ya jalur pemikirannya
    Last edited by 3agl3one; 20-08-09 at 17:53.
    yang suka becanda autis, BACA

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