Cataclysm = Timeless event?

[-Spirits_Knight]

oh novelna yang agak-agak beda gimana... gitu yah? kayak "night of bla3" atau apa deh... oh iya kek ashbringer kan?

[uruha_kurenai]

oh novelna yang agak-agak beda gimana... gitu yah? kayak "night of bla3" atau apa deh... oh iya kek ashbringer kan?

yg di gw sih chapter ptama judulnya "Well of Eternity"

[Sorren]

Sebelumnya akan saya jelaskan mengenai timeline dari sudut pandang seorang pemain. Saya beri contoh saja, yaitu DK. Kalian akan melihat Arthas di Ebon Hold, bagaimanapun expansionnya, bahkan setelah Arthas dikatakan mati oleh lore sekarang. Nah, hal ini berarti bagi seorag DK lv 55, Arthas masih hidup. Lv indicates timeline.

Sekarang bagaimana jika anda menciptakan DK di zaman Cata? Anda melihat Arthas, kemudian melihat byk wilayah2 yg berubah karena Cata... Teriak aja ama si Arthas, hey ini zaman Cata, napa lo masi hidup?

Expansion Cata, seperti yg telah dikabarkan, akan merombak habis2an wilayah Vanilla WoW. Tapi hasil rombakan tsbt dapat dilihat oleh player lv 1, bahkan mengubah banyak quest flow lv rendah. Bukankah ini berarti mengubah sejarah? Bukan hanya pada DK saja, tapi bagi semua class dan race.

Hal ini juga saya diskusikan dengan forum luar, di http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=127995.4&p=2059129. Nick saya di sana Impmaster..

Think abut it... and read my theory there..

mungkin itu ntar diganti bukan arthas lagi.tapi si LK baru.... lupa gw namanya.... aduh..... yg skarat jadi manusia api terusanya di ending wotlk..... o iya si Bolvar Fordragon
dan cataclysm tetap berjalan setelah kejadian ICC.... jadi cata tetep new era, bukan sidestory dll....
cmiiw

[zlanee]

sumpah pembahasan nya gg abis
dah bikin novel aja abis ini....

but, this thread about me is great

[Last strike]

menurut saya sich blizz jgn ubah apa2 cman di buat penambahan pulau baru yg berisi boss baru biar lorenya g bikin banyak orang pusing

[pads61]

ini teori agan di wowhead:

I think about my own theories yesterday, and this is what I got:

The Caverns of Time sent a message to Dalaran, that they were having a serious problem. While Lich King is the most dangerous threat at the time, all forces kept their focus on the attack to Icecrown Citadel, and ignore the message.

After the Lich King's defeat, they send troops to the Caverns of Time (perhaps the phased one), and find out that the problem has become more terrible. The time line has become very unstable. The period in Azeroth of several years ago (Vanilla period) is (was?) being attack by some kind of catastrophe. They then leave their current time (WotLK period) and enter the time where the problem is heppening (Vanilla period) through one of the Caverns of Time.

I still can't guess who or what caused this catastrophe, but the clear thing is, the troops fight it. However, they can't prevent the Barrens to be split into two, Wetlands to be destroyed, and Ashenvale to be hit as well. At least, Azeroth do not extinct. But it is a temporary victory.

They get back to their own time period (WotLK), and find out that many things in the present version of Azeroth have changed.

The history of Azeroth has been altered forever.

And the worst thing of all, the threat, that was temporary defeated, is ready to rise again...

From my the above theory, it will make sense that:

1. The characters created during / after Cataclysm can see Cataclysm since level 1. They're the people whose past and memories are altered by the events mentioned above.

2. Goblins and worgens joined the Horde / Alliance in Vanilla period, in the altered history. So in-game, it seems like they will level up until level 20, get out from their phased area, and join the Horde / Alliance.

3. Darion Mograine says to every Death Knights, including worgens and goblins, in the quest "Where Kings Walk" or "Warchief's Blessing", that they were once part of Horde / Alliance, and will always be. Death knights join Horde / Alliance prior to TBC, so it indicates that goblins and worgens death knights were part of H / A, when they were killed and raised to be death knights.

4. Thrall and Cairne will likely join the event above and save many Horde children during the catastrophe. Perhaps in Thrall absense, Garrosh declare himself as a new warchief. It also makes sense that only orc and taurens will stay in the inner ring of Orgrimmar. The orcs are likely the ones who approve Garrosh, and the taurens are likely Grimtotem taurens. There will be no troll, for the darkspear trolls are generally loyal to Thrall.

5. The changes in Azeroth continents should take months of catastrophe, but it's likely to happen too suddenly if you consider it happens during WotLK. I got a hint from Cataclysm cinematic in the part where Barrens is suddenly... ZAPP... split into two and is full of canyons of lava, as well as Ashenvale and Wetlands... Just imagine if I travel through timeline, to the past, and kill you when you were a baby, won't you be...Zappp.. vanish? My theory can explain it as well. Vanilla is merely a set back...

And...... there will be many phasing along levelling from lv 1 to 58. I think lv 80-85 player won't meet the low level players in the same zone. Yeah it's the same zone, but different timeline. About Cata is seen since lv 1 thing won't be a problem. Perhaps some monsters will only be seen by lv 80-85 character.

ane ga tau gan gmn yg bener, tp menurut ane ini teori ada salahnya gan..

agan baca novel nya yg war of the ancient? yg 3 buku, well of eternity, dan yg 2 lupa ane namanya..
nah disitu dicritain krasus, rhonin, ama broxigar yang kelempar ke 10.000 tahun sblm first war (a.k.a warcraft I)..
di novel itu gan, dicritain klo apa yg dilakuin 3 orang itu ga ngrubah sejarah.. awal'e krasus ama rhonin yg sadar klo terlempar ke masa lalu, takut klo2 misal apa yang mereka lakuin bakal merubah sejarah di masa mereka yg sebenarnya.. tp ketika sampe di tengah2, dragon heart dah jadi, trus neltharion dah menggila, krasus pergi ke nest nya blue dragon dan nyembunyiin bbrp telur supaya selamat, dan kejadian itu yg bikin di jaman krasus masih ada blue dragon (kalecgos, dll) sebelumnya krasus cerita klo blue dragon di masanya sedikit sekali, coba klo krasus ga nylametin itu blue dragon, kemungkinan masa nya krasus bakal berubah.. ini salah satu contoh klo yg klo menurut ane teori agan yg pada pergi dan merubah sejarah, dan tercipta altered future ga bener.. karena dari contoh itu, dr byk cerita, krasus yg nylametin blue dragon, medivh yg buka dark portal, itu bukan ingin merubah sejarah, tp malah ingin agar sejarah nya tidak berubah.. kecuali klo pihak blizzard ingin mengkhianati kebiasaan mereka sendiri..

klo masalah yg monster diliat oleh lvl 80+ tp ga diliat lvl 1, itu bukane klo baca di wowwiki, tempat lvling dr lvl 1 brubah ya? udah bukan barrens dll lg, tp dipindah kemana gtu, lupa ane. soale barrens jd level tinggi gtu klo ga salah.

just want to join the discussion..

CMIIW

[yahzell]

yg catalysim lebih seru lagi ally ada worgan dan horde ada goblin and aada lv guild + achieve dan propersi arceolog gitu + tauren isa jadi pally and ada boss momon wat raid yaitu deathwing

[kiens84]

oh iya itu klo lvling yg dari lv 1 , saya denger2 sih ky pindah dimensi gt . nah kan yg di kalimdor sm EK yg udah banyak laharnya itu kan lv momonnya jadi pd tinggi2 . jadi ga mungkin yg lv kecil lvling disana . nah yg saya pertanyakan nanti lv awal lvling dmn ? apakah masih ada kalimdor dan EK yg jaman dl (sebelom terkena bencana lahar) ? tp klo denger2 ky pindah dimensi gt ada kemungkinan kalimdor sm EK yg jaman dl bisa jadi ada . mungkinkah ada tempat baru lg untuk lvling lv 1 selain kalimdor dan EK ? klo memang ada bisa jadi tantangan baru lg untuk lvling dari awal2 gt .

[yahzell]

di eastern atau nda di brill

[yahzell]

ntar catalysim ma

[syamim]

atas saya seleb baru? pengganti dark_naix kah?

[Imp_Master]

mending liat wowwiki dl kalo mau belajar lore

gak smua yg lo liat di wowwiki tuh bener... tu kan non-official...

[Imp_Master]

mungkin itu ntar diganti bukan arthas lagi.tapi si LK baru.... lupa gw namanya.... aduh..... yg skarat jadi manusia api terusanya di ending wotlk..... o iya si Bolvar Fordragon
dan cataclysm tetap berjalan setelah kejadian ICC.... jadi cata tetep new era, bukan sidestory dll....
cmiiw

Duh... pada gak ngerti petualangan DK? di lv 55, Arthas lom mati... di lv 58 pas quest hantem Argent Dawn, para DK berontak dan Arthas kabor ke Northrend... Jadi Arthas di sana gk bakal di ganti... karena itu Arthas di masa lalu..

[Imp_Master]

ane ga tau gan gmn yg bener, tp menurut ane ini teori ada salahnya gan..

agan baca novel nya yg war of the ancient? yg 3 buku, well of eternity, dan yg 2 lupa ane namanya..
nah disitu dicritain krasus, rhonin, ama broxigar yang kelempar ke 10.000 tahun sblm first war (a.k.a warcraft I)..
di novel itu gan, dicritain klo apa yg dilakuin 3 orang itu ga ngrubah sejarah.. awal'e krasus ama rhonin yg sadar klo terlempar ke masa lalu, takut klo2 misal apa yang mereka lakuin bakal merubah sejarah di masa mereka yg sebenarnya.. tp ketika sampe di tengah2, dragon heart dah jadi, trus neltharion dah menggila, krasus pergi ke nest nya blue dragon dan nyembunyiin bbrp telur supaya selamat, dan kejadian itu yg bikin di jaman krasus masih ada blue dragon (kalecgos, dll) sebelumnya krasus cerita klo blue dragon di masanya sedikit sekali, coba klo krasus ga nylametin itu blue dragon, kemungkinan masa nya krasus bakal berubah.. ini salah satu contoh klo yg klo menurut ane teori agan yg pada pergi dan merubah sejarah, dan tercipta altered future ga bener.. karena dari contoh itu, dr byk cerita, krasus yg nylametin blue dragon, medivh yg buka dark portal, itu bukan ingin merubah sejarah, tp malah ingin agar sejarah nya tidak berubah.. kecuali klo pihak blizzard ingin mengkhianati kebiasaan mereka sendiri..

klo masalah yg monster diliat oleh lvl 80+ tp ga diliat lvl 1, itu bukane klo baca di wowwiki, tempat lvling dr lvl 1 brubah ya? udah bukan barrens dll lg, tp dipindah kemana gtu, lupa ane. soale barrens jd level tinggi gtu klo ga salah.

just want to join the discussion..

CMIIW

aduh.. ya maksud gw di teori gw, sebelum cata (pengantar ke cata), kita ke masa lalu untuk mencegah perubahan history, tapi ya akhirnya gagal juga gitu...
traslate yg bener donk teori gw... hehe2... no offense...

[mugen]

gak smua yg lo liat di wowwiki tuh bener... tu kan non-official...

masalahnya gwa bukan orang yang suka liat wall of text kek novel DKK