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    Default [Q&A] Hero-hero DotA menurut dark_messenger

    Karena gua bingung mo jawabin satu2...
    gua buat thread sendiri deh ya...

    bagi yg mo tanya hero-hero dota item build, skill build, cara pake, dll...
    silahkan post disini...

    gua bantu sebisa gua...
    kl perlu nti gua upload replay nya buat paduan...

    thx...
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    alo kk tanya donk item build, skill build, cara pake si dwarven sniper...tq

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    kk tanya item,skill buildna si yurnero donk???

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    wah...kk mau guidnya soul keeper dunks...tks..
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    walah masih pada tanya semua ya... kalo aku tanya gimana biar magina bisa doble apalagi tripe kill soalnya abis bunuh 1 hp mesti dah kempot2

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    Default Dwarven Snipper Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulKiller View Post
    alo kk tanya donk item build, skill build, cara pake si dwarven sniper...tq
    Kardel Sharpeye (Dwarven Snipper)
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    Pilih dulu mo build jadi apa?
    1. Long Range Snipper*
    2. Creeping Snipper
    3. Real Snipper

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    1. Long Range Snipper
    -----------------------------
    Skill Build : Take Aim & Headshot diutamakan.... jangan lupa Assassinate, ga usa ambil Scatter Shot, Status aja kalo Take Aim & Headshot full

    Item Build :
    Begin : Wraith Band x 2* atau Bracer x 2 atau Ancient Tango atau Ring of Regen
    Early : Power Thread
    Mid : Sange Yasha, Lothar Edge
    Late : Monkey King Bar*, Buriza do Kyanon, Radiance, Butterfly* (pilih salah 2 nya)

    How to play
    - Utamakan last hit creep... kl msh full semua... cicil hero musuh 1x tembak trus kabur... inget jarak snipper jauh... ambil Take Aim dari lvl. 1.
    - Selalu cari celah untuk 1 hit ke hero musuh.
    - Power Thread jadi uda enak buat creeping
    - Main 1/2 aggresive untuk cari kesempatan... tapi save...
    - Main save sebelum dpt Lothar Edge...
    - Sange Yasha jadi calon GG
    - MKB jadi uda jaminan GG
    - selalu liat life musuh dan jgn terlalu jauh sama musuh, supaya bisa di assassinate

    Question :

    "Pertamanya lawan hero INT gimana?"
    hero INT butuh mana, usahakan ada RoR ato Tango. Cukup buat cicil hero INT. Kena Frost Nova emang sakit tapi usahakan main save... sebelum dpt lothar... last hit creep cukup kl ktm hero INT nuker.

    "Kok dpt Sange Yasha calon GG?"
    HP uda gede lho... dan sange yasha bantu headshot alias musuh susah kabur dan ga bs pake portal gara2 headshot nya... mulai incer hero buat kill.

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    2. Creeping Snipper
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    Skill Build : Scatter Shot & Status, Assassinate... ambil Headshot 1 dulu aja buat tambahan dmg kalo nyerang

    Item Build :
    Begin : Ring of Basilius, Ancient Tango
    Early : Boots of Speed, Eul Divine Scaptre
    Mid : Guinso Sycthe, Lothar Edge, Boots of Travel
    Late : Radiance, Butterfly, Hyperstone

    How to play
    - Utamakan denied creep kita... ga perlu last hit
    - tunggu creep musuh rame ntar tinggal scatter shot...
    - Utamakan cari duid dari scatter shot baik creep musuh maupun creep netral
    - Mana abis lgs pake town portal ato travel ke fountain
    - Type ini berjaya cuma di late game dan ga bole banyak mati... banyak mati uda di late game ga bisa apa2
    - Jangan main push creep alias main save travel sono sini...

    Question :

    "Kalo mati mulu gimana?"
    ya musuh GG deh... wkwkwk... harusnya snipper build begini punya banyak duid dari creeping maupun farming...

    "Kenapa harus save ga aggresive?"
    gimana mo aggresive wong kerjaannya cm cari duid dulu buat bikin item di late game...

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    3. Real Snipper
    -------------------

    Skill Build : Take Aim & Headshot diutamakan.... jangan lupa Assassinate, ga usa ambil Scatter Shot, Status aja kalo Take Aim & Headshot full

    Item Build :
    Begin : Bracer x 2* atau Ancient Tango atau Ring of Regen
    Early : Boots of Speed, Dagon lvl 1, Town Portal
    Mid : Boots of Travel, Lothar Edge
    Late : Radiance*, Divine Rapier, Aegis of Immortal*

    How to play
    - awal2 main seperti Long Range Snipper
    - usahakan main save sebelum ada lothar
    - usahakan cari kill hero musuh terus, main assassinate 1x trus kejar, bokong trus assassinate lg...
    - ga perlu terlalu banyak creeping tp usahakan kill hero
    - assassinate 1 x trus bokong tembak2 siap2 energy burst buat kill...
    - Incer Radiance dulu biar late game bisa bantu creeping
    - Dapet Aegis jgn sampe mati biar jadi Rapier
    - GG dah ada Aegis + Rapier mah... hehe

    Questions :
    "Gimana cara kill nya di early game?"
    main bokong terus... usahakan assassinate keluar musuh ga sadar...

    "Kalo musuh badag semua gimana?"
    rada susah tp usahakan assassinate berkali2 sementara u creeping di netral...

    "Kenapa buat Dagon?"
    emang unik tp buat nambah mana pool apa lagi donk, masa eul?

    Notes :
    * --> recomanded
    "Ye of detestible name and virtue.. false apostle; thou art bayed back to the abyss!"
    "Hark, lightning that rides within the ashen depths; descend down as a storm upon my foes!"
    "If ye shall accept the benedictions of beauty, then yea; let these chains of aster surround thee!"
    "No mercy for the damned; thus, thou has no escape from the grasp of catastrophe"


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    Default Juggernaut Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by BE1215KY View Post
    kk tanya item,skill buildna si yurnero donk???
    terus terang aja gua ga gitu jago pake juggernaut alias kurang bisa.... hihihi... jujur aja... tp gua bantu kok... gua perna pake...

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    Yunero (Juggernaut)
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    Skill Build :
    Blade Fury, Blade Dance, Omnislash, healing ward ga usa.... ambil status biar full dulu aja baru learn Healing Ward di lvl 22.

    Item Build :
    Begin : Ring of Regeneration, Clarity Potion
    Early : Boots of Speed, Perseverence
    Mid : Boots of Travel, Battle Fury
    Late : Radiance, Eyes of Skadi, Aegis of Immortal / Butterfly

    How to Play
    - begining game, learn blade fury kl bisa main aggresive lgs usir mush pake blade fury tp harus ati2 lwn musuh range... kalo ada boots of speed baru coba cicil pk blade fury dengan catatan 1 hero.... jgn lawan 2 hero dipukul2 jg juggernaut yg keteteran....
    - usahain dpt boots of travel secepetnya biar bisa kill hero pake omnislash...
    - blade dance itu critical keren makanya dipadu battle fury biar cleaving attack gampang cari duid nya, sering2 creeping dan farming, bawa town portal kl mana kurang / clarity potion
    - usahain cari musuh sekarat buat di omnislash tp inget jgn ada creep musuh...

    segini dulu sekiranya bisa membantu...
    mungkin gua jg perlu masukan bis ga jago pake juggernaut lebih prefer pake axe daripada juggernaut...
    "Ye of detestible name and virtue.. false apostle; thou art bayed back to the abyss!"
    "Hark, lightning that rides within the ashen depths; descend down as a storm upon my foes!"
    "If ye shall accept the benedictions of beauty, then yea; let these chains of aster surround thee!"
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    dark messenger gimana kalo pake BC apa taktik nya ? gua biasa main pake power treads, butterfly, mkb, aegis, rapier, satu lagi yang untuk HP enak nya apa ? BKB ? ato tarrasque ? soalnya sange yasha kan orb effect kebuang pas pake searing arrows
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    satu2 ya kk... pelan2 lagi buat guide nya... hehehe... pasti ntar wa quote buat bone fletcher....
    "Ye of detestible name and virtue.. false apostle; thou art bayed back to the abyss!"
    "Hark, lightning that rides within the ashen depths; descend down as a storm upon my foes!"
    "If ye shall accept the benedictions of beauty, then yea; let these chains of aster surround thee!"
    "No mercy for the damned; thus, thou has no escape from the grasp of catastrophe"


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    hmmmm...klo gua minta pirates of the moon om dark ^^
    klo ndak wa minta nevermore bagusnya di apaain ya

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    Default Soul Keeper Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by kikiw View Post
    wah...kk mau guidnya soul keeper dunks...tks..
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    Terror Blade (Soul Keeper)
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    Comment :
    Hero enak banget di late game tapi early game cukup sulit buat survive kecuali lvl 6 da punya sunder. tapi lvl 6 nyisain 33% life musuh doank. Ada bbrp build buat soul keeper.

    1. Multipusher Soul Keeper*
    2. Sunder-Killer Soul Keeper
    3. Basher-Killer Soul Keeper

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    1. Multipusher Soul Keeper
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    Skill build :
    - Conjure Image max
    - Sunder
    - Status
    - Status mentok baru metamorphosis
    - Soul Drain ga usa...

    Item build :
    Begin : Bracer x 2, Ancient Tango
    Early : Perseverence, Power Thread
    Mid Game : Eyes of Skadi
    Late Game : Buriza do Kyanon, Radiance

    How To Play :
    - Selalu Last Hit creep diawal game... dan survival ga perlu napsu2 (jgn aggresive)
    - uda ada perseverence silahkan conjure image buat battle / creeping
    - kl lawan satyr biar yg asli mukul dulu kl ga conjure image nya sayang di purge lgs ilang
    - pastikan mana cukup buat sunder dan sunder sudah beres cooldown
    - ga perlu balik markas kl ga perlu... bisa main tipu bayangan buat sunder...
    - skadi dapet uda bingung mana yg asli soalnya sama2 tebel bayangan ama aslinya...
    - dpt skadi uda bisa kill hero gara2 frost attack nya
    - conjure image bisa ngeluarin effect radiance
    - pastikan formation icon dirubah jgn urutan
    - have a nice pusher...!!!

    Question :
    "Kalo build kaya gini ga bisa kill donk?"
    emang ga bisa tapi bisa kill pas kita bantu temen ato pas big battle pusing liat 3 hero. lagian kl da pake sunder ga ada skadi susah kill nya juga. Kerja keras anda diawal akan membawa hero ini menjadi hero sakti diakhir....

    "emang radiance stack sama conjure image nya?"
    ga stack. tapi enak radius radiance nya jadi jauh... ga beda sama radiance yg asli

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    2. Sunder-Killer Soul Keeper
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    Skill build :
    - Soul Drain max
    - Status dulu
    - Sunder max
    - lvl 12 conjure image smp max
    - lanjut ke metamorphosis

    Item build :
    Begin : Ancient Tango
    Early : Dagon, Power Thread
    Mid Game : Lothar Edge, Sange Yasha
    Late Game : Buriza do Kyanon, Radiance

    How To Play :
    - Ga perlu takut buat last hit ato denied creep
    - pake soul drain buat tahan life
    - pake tango kl dirasa sulit untuk maju dan life dikit
    - main save di awal2... sampai dapet sunder
    - usahakan dapat dagon secepat mungkin
    - 1000 HP di early game... 33% = 330 HP sekali dagon bye2...
    - buat life sekarat di creep netral
    - pastikan mana cukup buat sunder & dagon dan sunder sudah beres cooldown
    - ga perlu balik markas kl ga perlu... bisa main tipu bayangan buat sunder...
    - kalo punya lothar lebih mantap lagi...
    - ada randiance lebih mantap lagi abis di sunder....
    - pastikan formation icon dirubah jgn urutan
    - have a killing....

    Question :
    "Gimana cara deketin hero nya buat Sunder?"
    ya jgn buat life sekarat sampe < 200 HP. kira2 dikit musuh bisa turunin berapa HP. baru pas kena skill musuh lgs sunder lgs dagon... bye2 dah

    "Kalo hero musuh ada lebih dari 1"
    pake lothar buat kill nya... untuk 1 hero... emang ga mungkin lawan 3-4 hero sekaligus...

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    3. Basher-Killer Soul Keeper
    ------------------------------------
    Skill build :
    - Conjure Image max
    - Status max
    - Sunder max
    - ga perlu soul drain

    Item build :
    Begin : Ancient Tango
    Early : Power Thread, Mytril Hammer
    Mid Game : Cranium Basher x 2
    Late Game : Buriza do Kyanon, Radiance

    How To Play :
    - main save di early game sampe dapet cranium basher 1
    - ada cranium mulai main gertak... 1/2 aggresive
    - cranium basher x 2 tambah power thread uda bisa kill hero2 life dikit kok...
    - aggresive mode ON setelah 3 item sakti itu baru mulai bokong2 hero yg sendirian... ber2 jg bisa kalo mao... pas life dikit tinggal sunder
    - usahakan fokus ke 1 hero yg hp nya kecil baru hero lainnya
    - have triple kill with this build...

    Question :
    "Gimana cara dapetin duid buat 2 cranium?"
    kayanya soul keeper hero gampang cari duid dibanding anti-mage. pake conjure image... tp inget... build ini ga ada mana regen dari item...

    silahkan dicoba kk!
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    "Hark, lightning that rides within the ashen depths; descend down as a storm upon my foes!"
    "If ye shall accept the benedictions of beauty, then yea; let these chains of aster surround thee!"
    "No mercy for the damned; thus, thou has no escape from the grasp of catastrophe"


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    bingunggggggg gw bacanya...
    banyak bgt...
    tp gw mao nanya nih pid.. klo yunero koq askadi???
    buat paan?

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    bwat lambatin mush kalo kena muter2nya kali kan bisanya orang kalo liat dia muter2 orang mundur cepet pas kena nah kalo pake sakdi mungkin kalo kenanya jadi banyak jadi menambah fungsi muter selain bwt bersihiin crep bwt omni juga nambahin bikin musuh jerit2 kena puterannya

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    Default Bone Fletcher Guide

    Quote Originally Posted by Leord View Post
    dark messenger gimana kalo pake BC apa taktik nya ? gua biasa main pake power treads, butterfly, mkb, aegis, rapier, satu lagi yang untuk HP enak nya apa ? BKB ? ato tarrasque ? soalnya sange yasha kan orb effect kebuang pas pake searing arrows
    ok kk... bone banyak kombinasi item... rada ribet jelasinnya tapi kalo gua pake prefer damage besar buat bone...

    misal : bone ambil Black King Bar (buat lawan INT nuker: Slayers / Demon Witch ato AGI parah : Venomancer) ato Vanguard (buat lawan STR : Rouge Knight, Trent Protector, Lord of Avernus)

    ====================
    Bone Clinkz (Bone Fletcher)
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    Full-Damage Bone
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    Item Build :
    Begin : Wraith Band x 2
    Early : Power Thread, Mythril Hammer
    Mid : Stagyan Desolator, Demon Edge --> Monkey King Bar
    Late : Eyes of Skadi, Buriza do Kyanon / Radiance / Aegis of Immortal / Divine Rapier

    Skill Build :
    - Searing Arrow max
    - Wind Walk max
    - Death Pact max
    - Strafe max
    (alias skill semua status di belakang)

    How to Play :
    - usahakan main save dan 1/2 aggresive di early game, jangan kena spell, cicil pake searing arrow (jgn autocast) 1 hit aja tunggu searing arrow muter, tembak lagi ke hero musuh
    - bisa last hit creep pake searing arrow
    - kalo sekarat lgs kabur pake wind walk (lumayan +28% Movement Speed)
    - mo bokong hero pastiin wind walk uda 60-70% cooldown
    - dapet Desolator & MKB, uda GG deh game nya

    Question :
    "Kenapa pake Desolator? Ga bentrok sama searing arrow?"
    Bentrok alias ga stack. Lalu kenapa? Desolator itu orb effect corruption -6 armor dalam 5 sec. Ketika mo bokong hero gunakan Strafe trus serang hero musuh 1 hit aja (tanpa searing arrow), baru auto-cast Searing Arrow nya...

    "Kenapa build Eyes of Skadi?"
    Frost Attack stack sama Searing Arrow. plus buat bone makin badag.... ada frost attack uda susah lari hero musuh... tapi pastikan damage bone uda besar dulu baru kerasa enaknya pake eyes of skadi


    Notes : untuk bone pake item Black King Bar atau Vanguard, kurang ngerti gimana enaknya... soalnya bone itu hero damage besar tapi emang hero empuk/lembek alias gampang mati. Yang pasti jangan build bone pake Cranium Basher... ga guna alias jelek... kalo mao pake Sange Yasha boleh tapi Searing Arrow nya ga guna donk...
    "Ye of detestible name and virtue.. false apostle; thou art bayed back to the abyss!"
    "Hark, lightning that rides within the ashen depths; descend down as a storm upon my foes!"
    "If ye shall accept the benedictions of beauty, then yea; let these chains of aster surround thee!"
    "No mercy for the damned; thus, thou has no escape from the grasp of catastrophe"


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    Quote Originally Posted by BaBi•Imutz View Post
    bingunggggggg gw bacanya...
    banyak bgt...
    tp gw mao nanya nih pid.. klo yunero koq askadi???
    buat paan?
    bikin juggernaut jadi badag... plus enak tuh... cobain aja... pake skadi... baru merasakan juggernaut sakti abis...
    "Ye of detestible name and virtue.. false apostle; thou art bayed back to the abyss!"
    "Hark, lightning that rides within the ashen depths; descend down as a storm upon my foes!"
    "If ye shall accept the benedictions of beauty, then yea; let these chains of aster surround thee!"
    "No mercy for the damned; thus, thou has no escape from the grasp of catastrophe"


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