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    klo pk anvil kelebihannya apa ya?
    drpd pk wfs...
    emang dpt resilience lebih tapi kan dpt powernya kurang... hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by amoxilin View Post
    klo pk anvil kelebihannya apa ya?
    drpd pk wfs...
    emang dpt resilience lebih tapi kan dpt powernya kurang... hehehe
    ini ngomongin trinket buat pvp kan? dari pada battlefury kan mending anvil of titan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanvial View Post
    arpen dari gear ga bisa menghiraukan sempurna armor monster, 100% arpen dari gear masih menyisakan armor di monster, butuh di sunder armor/expose armor + faerie fire biar 100% ignore
    jadi arpen isi sampe 100% klo bisa

    http://www.tankspot.com/showthread.p...ly-FF)-and-ArP
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Armor_penetration

    emang ruwet arpen ini, makanya di cata di ilangin, kata blizzard sendiri "too mathy"
    ini kan AMPM bang
    kyk nya pas arpen gw pas 87% ama pas 100% beda dmg nya.. cuman perasaan sih
    entah kenyataan gmn, yg jelas buat BOSS ICC / TM dalem dmg nya

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    loh iy emang beda damage klo 87% sama 00%... jelas gede yg 100%
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    lha itu d WoWWiki yg sampean link sesat.. 1230 arpen udh 99,9% AR.
    d char gw baru isa 100% pas arpen 1400, klo 1230 kan kira2 87%an

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    wew sebelum liat table nya baca note di atas table...
    Note: Due to various changes to armor penetration rating, these tables are outdated. The percent reduction and effective armor values are both correct; however, the armor penetration rating column uses the outdated 12.32:1 conversion (as opposed to the current 13.99:1 conversion).
    dulu konversinya 12.32 : 1 jadi cmn butuh 1232 buat sampe 100
    skrng pake 13.99 : 1, so butuh 1399
    table nya di pake buat liat armor reduction, dps, dst
    liat pake %annya jngn pake ratingnya

    buat perhitangan arpen capnya klo ga ngerti bantu terjemahin

    tiap monster kan punya armor, buat lvl 83 armornya 10643
    Armor penetration dari stat bisa ngurangi armor tersebut, tapi ga bisa sampe 100% ilang, ada capnya
    GhostCrawler (klo ga tau siapa dia klik) kasih bocoran perhitungan cap nya

    pertama cari C
    Code:
    If (level<60)
       C=400+85*targetlevel
    Else
       C=400+85*targetlevel+4.5*85*(targetlevel-59);
    Kemudian hitung cap
    Code:
    Armor Penetration cap = (armor + C)/3

    buat lvl 83 di contoh atas
    Armornya = 10643
    C= 400 + 85 * 83 +4.5*85*(83-59) = 16635
    Arpen Cap = (10643 + 16635) / 3 = 9092.7

    jadi klo pake arpen 100% di stat doank armornya monster sisa 10643 - 9092.7 = 1550.3
    klo arpen cmn 50% y berarti = 10643 - 9092.7 * 0.5 = 6096.65


    skrng coba liat klo ada sunder armor
    sunder ngurangi armor sebesar 20%
    armor monster setelah di sunder = 10643 * 0.8 = 8514.4
    di itung cap baru pake armor skrng = (8514.4 + 16635) / 3 = 8383.13
    klo arpen 100% berarti sisa armornya = 8514.4 - 8383.13 = 131.27
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    hmmm jadi walaupun arpen udah 100% harus tetep apply sunder armor ya ? hmm thx kak

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    ya iyalah

    boss armor 20000
    arpen 100 % sunder armor 20 %

    20000 - 4000 ( 20 %) = 16000

    arpen dari status 100 % cuma bisa ngurangin max 15k armor kalo ga salah jadi masi butuh sunder dkk untuk armor diatas 15k

    jadi masi sisa 1k

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    gw pgen nanya neh...
    gw maen warr pve rotasi nya BT WW HS BT WW HS slam bloodsurge proc

    nah kan gw mau tanya kira" tuh rotasi bner ga ya?
    kalo salah kira" gmana yg bner?
    gemming warr full arpent ya?

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    spam HS!
    di icc warrior ga kekurangan rage

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAPI TEMPUR View Post
    kalo saya sendiri blom pernah fury, tapi yang jelas buat pve temen2 yang pernah nyobain fury, ternyata dpsnya lebih gede kalo dicolok arpen daripada str (udah 3 orang yang bilang gini) dan gausah sampe 100%, kan ada sunder armor dari warrior tank jadi cukup 80% aja, sisanya str ato yang kuning crit
    buat pve, paling bagus fury di bg, itu juga harus ada healer, ato anda keburu dimatiin sebelom ngematiin orang lain

    oh ya saran terakhir, kalo blom ada shadow's edge, deathbringer's will, castlebreaker battleplate (dan equip2 lain yang nambah arpen) mending colok str, daripada arpen seencrut blom kerasa apa2
    setau ane, perhitungan sunder sama arpen itu beda, jadi armor dikurangin sunder dulu 20% trus baru dihitung lagi, dikurangin arpen km lagi. cmiiw.
    soal gem klo kata ane, klo hit udah 400 an,300 minim, hajar arpen smua gem nya, itupun klo bisa hit nya dari eq ja.
    soal trinket klo ga ada dbw, nes, miror of truth, trus trinket yang dari ToC 5 H pun jadi gaan... yang pasti tau tempat lah ya, pvp pke eq pvp (campur pve? okeh), pve pke eq pve (campur pvp? jangannnnnn).. itu pasti arpen udah cukup.. dan yang pasti klo warrior di wotlk neh, arpen 4 life. hwahaa..
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    Quote Originally Posted by syamim View Post
    setau ane, perhitungan sunder sama arpen itu beda, jadi armor dikurangin sunder dulu 20% trus baru dihitung lagi, dikurangin arpen km lagi. cmiiw.
    soal gem klo kata ane, klo hit udah 400 an,300 minim, hajar arpen smua gem nya, itupun klo bisa hit nya dari eq ja.
    soal trinket klo ga ada dbw, nes, miror of truth, trus trinket yang dari ToC 5 H pun jadi gaan... yang pasti tau tempat lah ya, pvp pke eq pvp (campur pve? okeh), pve pke eq pve (campur pvp? jangannnnnn).. itu pasti arpen udah cukup.. dan yang pasti klo warrior di wotlk neh, arpen 4 life. hwahaa..
    ooo jadi harus tetep 100% yah...

    oh ya trus effect battle stance gimana ? abis aku raid pake talent arms, berarti cukup 90% dong ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SAPI TEMPUR View Post
    ooo jadi harus tetep 100% yah...

    oh ya trus effect battle stance gimana ? abis aku raid pake talent arms, berarti cukup 90% dong ?
    kalo Battle Stance sifatnya additif karena selfstat, begitu juga Mace Spec (bisa dicek di spreadsheet landsoul)
    jadi total Arpen Arms = Arpen dari status + Arpen Battle Stance + Arpen Mace Spec

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    gampangnya sumber arpen itu di bagi 2
    - debuff : sunder/expose armor, faerie fire, shattering throw
    - stat : dari gear, talent, enchant, gem

    dalam 1 kategori sifatnya additive, jadi misal klo ada sunder (20%) trus faerie fire (5%) jadi nya 25%
    dalam perhitungan diitung dari debuff dulu pake formula di atas, baru diitung dari stat
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    LoL, even tough you've got 100% ArPen, the mobs/boss will still have 10% of armor left. That's the rule blizzard made for WoTLK. There are no 0% of armor for PVE in WoTLK.
    If you, warrior, want to bypass all enemy armor in PVE, then use Colossus Smash... but wait for cata expansion.

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