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    Quote Originally Posted by chowwww View Post
    ow bener dugaan wa evisnya yg masalah makanya wa bingung SnD ok ,EA ok , evis vs rupt(?)
    nih

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    Let's compare the new ranks of both Eviscerate and Rupture

    Let's say we have our toon at 2500 AP at level 80 (that I consider more realistic than 3000 AP of the above poster)

    Eviscerate:

    2352 - 3106 for an average eviscerate

    Normal=2729
    Talented=3302

    mitigation on raid boss...i can't remember how much it is but let's set it to 30% including both kind of bosses (caster/melee) and average Armor penetration and we'll have

    EvisNormalMitigated = 1910.3
    EvisTalentedMitigated = 2311.4

    we are going to see what's the average damage per energy of this skill so

    Normal 1910/35 = 54.58 DpE
    Talented 2311.4/35 = 66.04 DpE

    anyway eviscerate can crit, as usual our crit rate should assest around 30% so

    Eviscerate on a long fight will do

    Normal
    1910+1637.4= 3547,4 average with
    3547.4/35 =101.35 DpE

    Talented
    2311+2278.38 = 4589.38
    4589.38/35= 131.12 DpE

    but considering armor mitigation at 30%

    EvisNormalMitigatedAndCrit = 2483.18 (70.94 DpE)

    EvisTalentedMitigatedAndCrit = 3212.566 (91.78 DpE)

    Rupture

    2486 Average over 16 sec every three seconds
    2486/25 = 99.44 DpE

    Rupture damage ignores armors, and we can have up to 60% improve for Rupture:

    With both Serrated Blades and Blood Spatter
    RuptureTalented

    Talented60%Rupture = 3977.6 (159.1 DpE)

    anyway is more realistic that a combat build will have just a 30% increase for rupture

    Talented30%Rupture = 3231.8 (129.27 DpE)

    Rupture is still the winner.

    Let's see it under a PVP prospective, cause it's getting interesting, isn't it?

    There is one thing that can make Shadow Step builds even more powerful, and that's not the daggers friendly shadow dance. What I am talking about is the more dreadful wet dream of all old school rogues: SEAL FATE!...and double cold blood!

    Well...

    Avg Eviscerate
    2729
    we're going to add +21% from talents...and 20% from shadow step...and a 100% crit hit chance!
    [(2729*1,21)*1.2]*2.30 = 9113.7 from behind (unmitigated...but i'm sure you will find a way to reduce to zero your priest target armor..ghghgh)
    Also maybe you choose to spec for Master of Subtlety and cast a 5 Combo points Cold Blood Eviscerate right after cheap shot...so i guess i should make the mat...it's 10025 damage...pretty impressive!

    (DpE should be a whooping 260...did you get me? )
    tapi, waktu arpen lu udah sampe cap (100% w/ trinket up)
    evis lebih bagus daripada rup
    lu mulai bisa maenin xS/5e
    dimana x adalah sembarang angka

    otherwise 5s/5r/3e

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    nah ituh.... ada titik dimana arpen adalah x, yang menyebabkan output evis > rupture.... yang mana sampe sekarang.... nilai x nya itu masih ga nemu gw

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakana_hito View Post
    nah ituh.... ada titik dimana arpen adalah x, yang menyebabkan output evis > rupture.... yang mana sampe sekarang.... nilai x nya itu masih ga nemu gw
    70-80% iirc

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    output evis >>> rupture klo evis crit doank kan?
    *mess with the best lose like the rest

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    baru mau nyoba maen WoW nih. Race di ally yang bagus buat rogue apa ya ?

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    buat pvp human kk ga usah bli trinket medal lagi

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    Quote Originally Posted by inevitable View Post
    buat pvp human kk ga usah bli trinket medal lagi
    kalo dibandingkan dengan NE ?

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    klo NE dodge nya bagus kaks
    "Nothing is True Everything is Permitted"


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    tapi koq jarang liat human rogue di BG yaa. kbanyakan gnome dan NE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _TrueBLood_ View Post
    bos nanya, itu trick of the trade error ga sih yang +15% damage cousenya? asa ga kluar buffnya d temen party yang d kasih.. cm kluar self buff doang

    nah itu dia
    kirain cuma gw aja yang nyadar itu damage 15% nambah di party yang di kasihin


    gw pake ToTT buat arena doang
    persetan dengan transfer threatnya!
    jangan macam-macam dengan spesies yang sedang dilindungi

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    Cheap Shot->Kidney Shot->Blind->Vanish->Alt + F4->Delete Char
    itu baru keren. . . .kwkwkwkkw

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    eh, minta tips ngalahin paladin holy donk?

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    pally holy bisa aja sih di kalahin
    tapi harus sabar
    hajar2 aja pake envenom
    begitu dirasa tepat langsung kick GPL
    masa rogue dengan Death's Verdict ga bisa nembusin pally holy?
    iya gak?
    jangan macam-macam dengan spesies yang sedang dilindungi

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    Quote Originally Posted by DickDzink View Post
    pally holy bisa aja sih di kalahin
    tapi harus sabar
    hajar2 aja pake envenom
    begitu dirasa tepat langsung kick GPL
    masa rogue dengan Death's Verdict ga bisa nembusin pally holy?
    iya gak?
    gw ga ad death's verdict

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    Quote Originally Posted by DickDzink View Post
    pally holy bisa aja sih di kalahin
    tapi harus sabar
    hajar2 aja pake envenom
    begitu dirasa tepat langsung kick GPL
    masa rogue dengan Death's Verdict ga bisa nembusin pally holy?
    iya gak?
    tidak sanggup abang!!ituh poison2nya dicleanse semua... trus dapet sacred cleansing, trus ngos2an mencoba buat apply deadly poison.... hit envenom 1x ketutup ama holy shock yang dipake setelah ngecleanse ..sedangkan envenom+cold blood cuman mampu mecahin ituh sacred shield. berbagai kick,gauge, vanish->garrote, sampe belt frag telah dipakai... namun blom mampu mengalahkan pally holy T_T (tbh, ga semua palhol si ga bisa dikalahkan, cuman palhol macam ar*****, ama sa*** dll itu yang super HARD)

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