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    gw gak ngerti soal ini binary ato nonbinary spell ato apa lah..

    yg gw tau dari wowhead hex itu adalaah

    School Nature
    Mechanic Polymorphed
    Dispel type Curse

    (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=51514)

    school NATURE ada resistancena.. apa lg dari gift of the wild jadi PENET perlu biar lbh pasti masukna..tanpa resist2..

    dan purge adalah NATURE jg spertina -> School Nature (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8012)

    jgn abaikan itu hit rating dan spell penet di PvP meski kalian job healer kcuali kalian paladin...

    kita smua ke target pvp 96% sukses harus cari 3-4% supaya jadi ke angka lbh pasti (YES 4% gak sukses NGARUH BGT makana BLood ELF ras IMBA..nambah 2% lg)

    dan itu di DISPEL magic yg dikategoriin school HOLY aja bisa resist.. holy no resistance di ni game setau gw..gift of the wild aja gak ngebantu lwn holy school..tapi krn 4% itu tuh..ada kejadian inter kek begini..

    http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4696/asudasd.jpg

    soo.. kayakna DRUID SHAMAN sama PRIEST perlu deh penet sama hit..

    ada baikna klo main shaman sama priest sblm fear ato hex ilangin dulu gift of the wild(buat shaman dan priest) dan prayer of shadow protection sblm fear area-na priest (krn ad 130 resistance to shadow school dan psychic scream tergolong shadow).. dan itu org inter stack PENET supaya tar pvp mrk klo terpaksa harus lgsg fear ato hex bisa merasa lbh pasti.. krn gak semua game kita bisa full purge ato full dispel 1 target dgn bersih..

    sama jg druid..... CYCLONE itu nature perlu minimal 74 ato 80 PENET supaya bisa lbh pasti cyclonenan ke druid lain krn gak bisa dispel gift of the wild klo temenna yg dia maen bareng di arena gak pny offensive dispel..

    ah auuu ahh gak ngerti aku binary ama nonbinary spell..

    like wtf? seriously......

    just back to basic.. pvp chance to miss with spell kita ke player laen yg setara dgn lvl yg sama 4% alias 96% tuk sukses spell kita..gw gak suka RNG jadi mau tutup gap itu dgn naekin hit rating...

    sapa jg yg suka sama RNG? chance chance? wtf .. napa gak smuana 100% aja biar gak perlu boros stats ke hit.. tapi ini game bukan game simpel.....

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    sejujurnya sih gue copas soal binary n binary spell itu jadi salah2 mulu karena emang ga ngerti juga sih :P

    IMHO, klo mau maen resto full heal temen n cuma support totem sih ya mungkin ga pake hit/penet juga bisa..
    Tapi moga2 dipakenya di pve aja jangan buat arena.. Bisa mencak2 temennya ntar..

    EPIC

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakang_prabu View Post
    sapa yg bilang elu gg cmn gw bilang elu surem sok sok an berpendapat
    shaman resto ga maen hit rating sama spell penet infact emang butuh hit rating n spell penet....
    Oh iya, gue surem, thanks buat ralat nya ^^.

    Quote Originally Posted by kodogijo View Post
    Yak btul!! Gue kebalik soal term binary n non binary nya...
    Harusnya non binary itu untuk offensive non debuff added spell, n binary buat yg debuff-added spell
    My bad..

    Trus at some point sih bener yg direfer itu, soal spell hit will not reduce this chance..
    cuma masalahnya, klo di sambungin ke
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit


    koq jadi bertolak belakang ya? padahal kan dari sumber yang sama...
    Hmmm...iya ya, ini di http://www.wowwiki.com/Resistance sama di http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit
    Untuk binary spell kok gak sinkron ya...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cOnfUsDx View Post
    gw gak ngerti soal ini binary ato nonbinary spell ato apa lah..

    yg gw tau dari wowhead hex itu adalaah

    School Nature
    Mechanic Polymorphed
    Dispel type Curse

    (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=51514)

    school NATURE ada resistancena.. apa lg dari gift of the wild jadi PENET perlu biar lbh pasti masukna..tanpa resist2..

    dan purge adalah NATURE jg spertina -> School Nature (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8012)

    jgn abaikan itu hit rating dan spell penet di PvP meski kalian job healer kcuali kalian paladin...

    kita smua ke target pvp 96% sukses harus cari 3-4% supaya jadi ke angka lbh pasti (YES 4% gak sukses NGARUH BGT makana BLood ELF ras IMBA..nambah 2% lg)

    dan itu di DISPEL magic yg dikategoriin school HOLY aja bisa resist.. holy no resistance di ni game setau gw..gift of the wild aja gak ngebantu lwn holy school..tapi krn 4% itu tuh..ada kejadian inter kek begini..

    http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4696/asudasd.jpg

    soo.. kayakna DRUID SHAMAN sama PRIEST perlu deh penet sama hit..

    ada baikna klo main shaman sama priest sblm fear ato hex ilangin dulu gift of the wild(buat shaman dan priest) dan prayer of shadow protection sblm fear area-na priest (krn ad 130 resistance to shadow school dan psychic scream tergolong shadow).. dan itu org inter stack PENET supaya tar pvp mrk klo terpaksa harus lgsg fear ato hex bisa merasa lbh pasti.. krn gak semua game kita bisa full purge ato full dispel 1 target dgn bersih..

    sama jg druid..... CYCLONE itu nature perlu minimal 74 ato 80 PENET supaya bisa lbh pasti cyclonenan ke druid lain krn gak bisa dispel gift of the wild klo temenna yg dia maen bareng di arena gak pny offensive dispel..

    ah auuu ahh gak ngerti aku binary ama nonbinary spell..

    like wtf? seriously......

    just back to basic.. pvp chance to miss with spell kita ke player laen yg setara dgn lvl yg sama 4% alias 96% tuk sukses spell kita..gw gak suka RNG jadi mau tutup gap itu dgn naekin hit rating...

    sapa jg yg suka sama RNG? chance chance? wtf .. napa gak smuana 100% aja biar gak perlu boros stats ke hit.. tapi ini game bukan game simpel.....
    Sama gue juga ribet bacanya itu si wowwiki x-p
    So spell penet dibutuhkan buat nurunin resistance nya ya ? Hmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by kodogijo View Post
    sejujurnya sih gue copas soal binary n binary spell itu jadi salah2 mulu karena emang ga ngerti juga sih :P

    IMHO, klo mau maen resto full heal temen n cuma support totem sih ya mungkin ga pake hit/penet juga bisa..
    Tapi moga2 dipakenya di pve aja jangan buat arena.. Bisa mencak2 temennya ntar..
    Abis baca hasil copas lu dan ternyata wowwiki kok bertolak belakang begitu, jadi bingung sendiri gue LoL
    Makanlah kacang ijo pada waktu dan tempat yang tepat

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    Quote Originally Posted by jc fanz View Post
    Sama gue juga ribet bacanya itu si wowwiki x-p
    So spell penet dibutuhkan buat nurunin resistance nya ya ? Hmmm...



    Abis baca hasil copas lu dan ternyata wowwiki kok bertolak belakang begitu, jadi bingung sendiri gue LoL
    makanya klo ng post liat liat dl jgn asal XDDDDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakang_prabu View Post
    makanya klo ng post liat liat dl jgn asal XDDDDD
    Makanlah kacang ijo pada waktu dan tempat yang tepat

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    jadi gmn kk jc fanz..

    masih berpendapat hit dan penet gk perlu ?

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    jc fanz jadi gaya post mu irritating bgt dah... plz stop it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by aimofdrama View Post
    jadi gmn kk jc fanz..

    masih berpendapat hit dan penet gk perlu ?
    Setelah baca lagi, jadi bingung gue.
    Untuk fact nya gue patokan awal nya dari bacaan pertama yang http://www.wowwiki.com/Resistance
    cuma ya itu, kok di http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit buat binary spell dibilang butuh hit rating.

    Soal spell penet juga, jadi mabok gue.

    But setelah baca penjelasan bro cOnfUsDx,
    hit rating and spell penet dibutuhkan.

    TQ.

    Quote Originally Posted by venomblade View Post
    jc fanz jadi gaya post mu irritating bgt dah... plz stop it..
    Irritating ya ?
    Gak usah dibaca bro, beres

    Gaya post gue dari dulu sampe sekarang kaya gini.

    TQ.
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    ha kt sapa ga da holy resistance?itu talent frost dk ma pot2 resist magic school bwat paan HE?
    *mess with the best lose like the rest

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowwww View Post
    ha kt sapa ga da holy resistance?itu talent frost dk ma pot2 resist magic school bwat paan HE?
    oow ada ya ?

    kalo saya liatnya sih di character info

    cuma ada frost fire shadow arcane nature

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowwww View Post
    ha kt sapa ga da holy resistance?itu talent frost dk ma pot2 resist magic school bwat paan HE?
    "It is not possible to resist Holy magic, giving it a slight advantage over other schools, but it does have a basic miss chance like all spells, offset by Hit rating.

    Items and Buffs which give a bonus to all resistances, such as Mage Armor, do not include Holy resistance, but percentage-based damage-reduction abilities such as a Warrior's Defensive Stance successfully reduce damage from Holy spells. Also, the [Holy Protection Potion], [Greater Holy Protection Potion], and [Major Holy Protection Potion] items will also absorb limited amounts of Holy damage. "

    source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Magic_schools_%28WoW%29

    emang gak ada resistance itu holy tapi ada base chance missna.. 4% makana prist perlu hit rating jg..

    kok malah jadi ginian...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cOnfUsDx View Post
    "It is not possible to resist Holy magic, giving it a slight advantage over other schools, but it does have a basic miss chance like all spells, offset by Hit rating.

    Items and Buffs which give a bonus to all resistances, such as Mage Armor, do not include Holy resistance, but percentage-based damage-reduction abilities such as a Warrior's Defensive Stance successfully reduce damage from Holy spells. Also, the [Holy Protection Potion], [Greater Holy Protection Potion], and [Major Holy Protection Potion] items will also absorb limited amounts of Holy damage. "

    source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Magic_schools_%28WoW%29

    emang gak ada resistance itu holy tapi ada base chance missna.. 4% makana prist perlu hit rating jg..

    kok malah jadi ginian...
    LoL

    Gapapa bro, pembelajaran ini
    gue juga jadi tau dari tulisan lu,
    kalo holy ini ada base chance miss nya.

    Berarti semua class, apapun itu, perlu donk ya hit rating 4% ? >.<

    The question,
    is it worthed ?

    Karena disini thread shaman,
    jadi 4% hit rating itu perlu dan spell penet 110 sebagai standar ?

    Apa gak sayang tuh ?
    Gem dikasih buat hit rating sama spell penet ?

    Apa gak mending buat stamina or resilience aja kalo buat PvP shaman resto ?
    Last edited by jc fanz; 24-04-10 at 13:07.
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    purge miss = mana boros + buang gcd..

    hex miss = buang cd...

    au deh klo ttg shaman tanya aja itu bot shaman

    /poke aimofdrama...

    btw klo ma BE perlu 6%...

    best racial di WoW klo pvp...

    2%na BE..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cOnfUsDx View Post
    purge miss = mana boros + buang gcd..

    hex miss = buang cd...

    au deh klo ttg shaman tanya aja itu bot shaman

    /poke aimofdrama...

    btw klo ma BE perlu 6%...

    best racial di WoW klo pvp...

    2%na BE..
    Ok dah,
    nti coba gue perhatiin dulu itu purge seberapa sering miss.
    Gua kaga pernah perhatiin, biasa spam purge soalnya kalo lawan priest/druid resto LoL
    Kalo hex, selama ini gue belum pernah miss di arena, cuma di BG doank.

    Catatan : hit rating 67 + spell penet 20 buat char gue

    Kalo sering miss sih, berarti ya perlu ditambah >.<
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