[ask] devastate vs sunder armor

[gurandil]

agan2 warior tank mau tanya dong perbedaan devastate sama sunder armor apa beda nya yah?

apakah devastate tidak ada threat nya? sedangkan yg ngasi threat cuman sunder armor?
klo misalkan bgtu gak tberguna dong ambil devastate..

mohon penjelasaan agan2 yg sudah berpengalaman ty..

[ilhamyt]

Setauku loh.

SETAUKU

itu applies sunder armor effect, berarti ngasih juga threatnya. CMIIW

Aku kan pernah punya warrior TB ucup2an jaman naxx, kerjaannya cuma Devas + shield slam + thunder clap + rend + revenge doang. Threatnya kaga lepas koq.

Tapi selanjutnya tanya ama yang suhu2 aja....

[gurandil]

iya saya jg mikir bgtu, devastate = sunder armor effect = ngasi threat jg..
tp soalnya ada yg bilang "jgn devaste aja pake sunder armor biar ada threat nya" bgtu katanya..

jd bingung ane..

[Shaun_Si_Mbek]

semua yg ada damage = threat

[gurandil]

semua yg ada damage = threat

gak kan maksud nya klo sunder armor high amount of threat

[deardevil]

Devastate vs Sunder Armor

Tankspot 3.0 Warrior Threat Values
Devastate = damage + 5% of AP
Sunder Armour = 345 + 5%AP

Tankspot - 3.2 Threat Values
Devastate = Damage + 315 + 5% AP
Devastate (glyphed) = Damage + 630 + 10% AP
Sunder Armor = 360 + 5% AP

[gurandil]

gak maksudnya gini.. apakah devastate cuman ngasi debuff sunder armor aja tp gak ngasi threat?

[deardevil]

Sunder Armor
Sunders the target's armor, reducing it by 4% per Sunder Armor and causes a high amount of threat. Threat increased by attack power. Can be applied up to 5 times. Lasts 30 sec.

itu kan keliatan threatnya X + 5% AP

High Amount of threat = X = 360 untuk Sunder, 315 untuk Devastate
Threat increased by attack power = 5% AP

[Arch-Sh[Y]man]

kalau menurut saya seh simple *) nya gini...

- [Sunder] --> ngurangin armor musuh + nge-threat
- [Devastate] --> nge-damage + nge-[Sunder]

singkat kata, lebih simple langsung [Devastate] saja
^_^


*) simple = tanpa melihat detail ke game mechanics

[kepixs]

devastate --> threatnya dari damage
sunder armor --> keknya nambah % threat bukan dari damage..

[gurandil]

Devastate vs Sunder Armor

Tankspot 3.0 Warrior Threat Values
Devastate = damage + 5% of AP
Sunder Armour = 345 + 5%AP

Tankspot - 3.2 Threat Values
Devastate = Damage + 315 + 5% AP
Devastate (glyphed) = Damage + 630 + 10% AP
Sunder Armor = 360 + 5% AP

merinci tp gak ngerti saya..

devastate --> threatnya dari damage
sunder armor --> keknya nambah % threat bukan dari damage..

sederhana tp ngerti bgt saya..
maklum matematik saya jelek huahuaha



jadi kesimpulannya threat lebih gede pake sunder armor ?

[Xanvial]

...

kesimpulannya umumnya devastate lebih gede threatnya

Devastate = Damage + 315 + 5% AP
Devastate (glyphed) = Damage + 630 + 10% AP
Sunder Armor = 360 + 5% AP

itu itungan jumlah threatnya, misal AP nya 5k
klo sunder jumlah threatnya = 360 + 5000*0,05 = 360 + 250 = 610
devastate = Damage + 315 + 5000*0,05 = damage + 315 + 250 = damage + 565

kecuali km gebuk pake senjata lvl rendah bgt, devastate akan ngasih threat lebih gede dari sunder

[gurandil]

brarti yg bilang sunder lebih gede threat nya daripada devastate, 100% salah yah gan..

[gilawow]

menurut saya... kalo warrior dah ada skill Devastate, skill sunder armornya dah ga kepake lagi kk.. alasannya adalah karna Devastate: Upgrade dari Sunder armor
"Devastate is a tanking skill meant to be used as an upgraded Sunder Armor, as it combines all the effects of Sunder Armor with an amount of damage that increases as Sunder Armor debuffs are stacked on the target. " itu Quote diambil dari http://www.wowwiki.com/Devastate
Devastate bikin Sunder+ high threat+damage ke musuh CMIIW

regards

[ilhamyt]

Bentar, kalau glyph of sunder armor yang multiples target itu ke aplly ke devastate nggak?