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    ada yg bisa ngejelasin kenapa hokage ke empat nyegel kyubi ke anaknya sendiri?
    trus apa makna perkataan jiraiya tentang kyubi sebelum jiraiya mati?
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    @vindrezt

    yg bs kita tau cm cm dari perkataan tsunade bahwa the 4th ga pernah melakukan sesuatu tanpa grand plan di belakangnya...

    trus apa makna perkataan jiraiya tentang kyubi sebelum jiraiya mati?
    perkataan yg mana??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindrezt View Post
    ada yg bisa ngejelasin kenapa hokage ke empat nyegel kyubi ke anaknya sendiri?
    trus apa makna perkataan jiraiya tentang kyubi sebelum jiraiya mati?
    logika nya aja...siapa sih orang tua yg mau anak nya di jadiin host buat kyuubi

    "mungkin" ga ada pilihan lain selain yondaime masukin kyuubi ke naruto dan berharap naruto akan di anggap pahlawan oleh warga

    lg pula...ada kemungkinan, yondi tau tentang madara dan master plannya dengan kyuubi...makanya kyuubi di seal di naruto dan sandaime di suruh ngawasin naruto secara langsung

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindrezt View Post
    ada yg bisa ngejelasin kenapa hokage ke empat nyegel kyubi ke anaknya sendiri?
    trus apa makna perkataan jiraiya tentang kyubi sebelum jiraiya mati?
    klo menurut gw sih si yondie ngerasa anknya cukup kuad <secara itu anknya ndiri> buat jadi hostnya kyubii n terbukti kan

    @atas
    mungkin emang gtu si pain...
    orang kaku tanpa expresi

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    Alasan knapa kyubi d segel dnaruto.. Menurutku ada 2 alasan yaitu pengorbanan dan pertaruhan;

    pengorbanan, karena kewajibannya sbg hokage u/ melindungi desa, klo dsegel ke anak orang lain kan kasian, maka yondaime mengorbankan anaknya yg tunggal u/ melindungi desa;
    pertaruhan, karena yondaime sama seperti hokage1 menganggap hewan2 siluman dapat dijadikan aset jika d tangani dgn tepat dan berharap/bertaruh keberadaan kyubi d tangan naruto.

    Jika ada yg ketiga mungkin ialah kepercayaan, yondaime percaya kepada naruto dapat mengatasi dan menggunakan dgn benar kekuatan kyubi, klo dsegel k orang lain takut d salahgunakan

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    Default The Key, the Nine-Tails, and Madara

    sekedar info dan pengetahuan tentang naruto....post ini sepenuh nya gw copy dari narutofan(credit to Hœnir)...dan sorry gw ga translate..abis nya kepanjangan..here we go

    Spoiler untuk Introduction of the Key :

    Sealing Toad: Jiraiya! What the hell do you think you're doing, bringing me out here? You know quite well about Naruto's key.
    Jiraiya: Oh, I'm not planning on more training. Certain circumstances have me wanting you to stay out here for the time being.
    Sealing Toad: Stay out, you say? What's going on?
    Jiraiya: I'll be fighting a slightly tough opponent, so…
    Sealing Toad: Heh… someone so strong that you need to let me get away beforehand?
    Jiraiya: This is just in case… but anyway, I need to be stamping the storage release order now.

    Jiraiya: Alright!
    Sealing Toad: And how long will you be?
    Jiraiya: I shouldn't be too long… But just in case something happens to me, store yourself within Naruto.
    Sealing Toad: !! …What the heck are you saying?! It's my belly that has the key matching Naruto's hakke seal drawn on it! And with each year the Fourth's seal weakens! This key was left so that the seal could be reinforced should the need present itself! How could you think of putting such an important key on the very safe it matches…!!
    Jiraiya: Nonetheless, that key was left behind by Minato himself… At some point, it should become Naruto's.
    Sealing Toad: He isn't ready yet! Surely you haven't forgotten what happened before when you convinced me to twist the Shishou seal just a bit… Because I can't imagine you have!

    Jiraiya: No, I haven't… but Minato's choice to entrust the key's jutsu design is, for me… A clear sign that he intended Naruto to one day complete that jutsu.
    Sealing Toad: But does Naruto have any need for that in the first place? He isn't even capable of controlling the Nine-Tail's chakra! From just opening the seal a *****, Naruto's chakra was pushed aside, the Nine-Tail's chakra gushed out, and Naruto was taken over by it. Speaking of the Fourth's intentions, it's safe to say that opening the seal more and causing Naruto to fully become the Nine-Tails would be strictly against them!
    Jiraiya: Minato only sealed the Nine-Tails' yin chakra using the shiki fuujin. The very reason Minato went to the trouble of splitting the Nine-Tails' chakra into two, only sealing the yang chakra into Naruto, was so that he could leave it for Naruto. Still, why would one seal the Nine-Tails' chakra in his very own child?

    Sealing Toad: Who knows? Perhaps Naruto happened to be his most or only viable option for the jutsu… Or if not, surely wanting to leave power behind for one's child is the very definition of parental love.
    Jiraiya: I was Minato's master, so I know him quite well…
    Sealing Toad: ?
    Jiraiya: He's not the type to do things without reason, you see… Minato know of something of grave importance, and if because of that something he chose to entrust the Nine-Tails to his own son…
    Sealing Toad: …You're just thinking too deep.

    Jiraiya: It's said that the Nine-Tails was a naturally occuring disaster that just happened to strike Konoha… But recently I've begun to doubt whether that truly is the case…
    Sealing Toad: Huh?
    Jiraiya: I'm certain that it was the result of a very intentional summoning…
    Sealing Toad: Are you crazy?! The Nine-Tails is an age-old natural disaster that suddenly appears from nowhere when human malice collects and festers! Besides, no one could possibly exist capable of summoning something such as the Nine-Tails!
    Jiraiya: …No… There was one, just one…
    Sealing Toad: ?
    Jiraiya: …
    Sealing Toad: …Who?
    Jiraiya: … Founder of the Uchiha clan… Uchiha Madara


    Spoiler untuk The Key's :




    Gentleman, what do keys do?
    …Keys unlock things?

    The Key's Design

    The key is a part of Minato's jutsu to seal the Nine-Tails' chakra within Naruto. Minato's jutsu is more than a sealing – the Nine-Tails is not sealed inside Naruto like Shukaku was sealed into a teapot. The seal is designed to let the Nine-Tails' chakra flow out between the four elephant (shishou) seals.

    What does this mean? It means two things, and they're very different.

    The Nine-Tails' chakra is mingling with Naruto's
    This is a gradual process which is, as time passes, turning Naruto into one of the most powerful men alive. He is safely absorbing the Nine-Tails' chakra into himself, and making it his own. His massive chakra is at least partially because of this.

    The seal isn't entirely stable, and the Nine-Tails can 'break loose'
    When Naruto loses his temperance he seems less able to control the seal. The obvious conclusion here is that the seal isn't perfect – it's not holding back the Nine-Tails entirely. We know it's weakening over time, and from when Naruto was about 12 it got to the point that the Nine-Tails could 'get out' partially. Sarutobi was worried that there was a one in a million chance of the Nine-Tails breaking out completely.

    That the Nine-Tails breaks loose when Naruto loses his temperance can only mean one thing, of course: Naruto is playing some part in holding the Nine-Tails back. It's not just the seal doing its job alone; Naruto is holding the Nine-Tails back all the time.

    The balance
    The seal is weakening, but it can be strengthened again using the key. Note that the sealing toad adds "should the need present itself". If the seal is weakening and the key can strengthen it, then why not use the key already? Why not use it now? Why not use it when he's 12, and again when he's 13…? Because it's to be used "should the need present itself".

    The seal weakening is actually part of the equilibrium Minato has tried to set up. It might be inevitable, but it's also quite intentional.

    Over time, the Nine-Tails' chakra is mingling with Naruto's, making him stronger. Naruto himself has some part in holding back the Nine-Tails as the seal weakens – hence the Nine-Tails' influence taking over sometimes when Naruto loses it. Naruto is becoming stronger and the part he must play in holding back the Nine-Tails is increasing.

    This is the equilibrium that was set up. The seal is supposed to weaken – perhaps Minato couldn't make one that didn't, but he knew what he was doing when he made it this way.
    __________________




    Spoiler untuk That Jutsu :
    Minato's choice to entrust the key's jutsu design is, for me… A clear sign that he intended Naruto to one day complete that jutsu.

    That Jutsu

    Listen carefully to Jiraiya, because he knows something that you don't. He knows that "that jutsu" isn't specific to Naruto. It's nothing to do with his move set or his skills: most importantly, it's a jutsu that existed, in concept, before Naruto was born. Minato planned the design of the seal and the key with this in mind. He wanted Naruto to complete a jutsu – a jutsu legendary enough to be spoken of in this context just as 'that' jutsu.

    What that jutsu isn't
    It's not hiraishin. It's not some legendary killing technique invented by the gods or any silly thing like that. We know that the jutsu in question has everything to do with the Nine-Tails and the design of the key. We know that the jutsu requires the key to complete. Minato didn't lock some godly technique inside an object and also make it the key to the Nine-Tails' seal.

    There's only one thing that keys do. They open things. One thing in particular, actually, and we know what this is.

    The balance can't last
    Minato probably knew this just as well as we know this, when we look at Naruto in Part II. He's struggling with the Nine-Tails. He's getting to the point now that if he tries to pull out some of the Nine-Tails' chakra through the gap in the seal (not the chakra mingling with him gradually), he's under serious risk of losing it and the Nine-Tails taking over.

    Even with Naruto growing and the Nine-Tails' chakra mingling with his, he's still losing control over the seal. Should it come to it, the seal can be strengthened: the key can tighten the lock.

    But that's not what the key's for, as we should expect. Tightening the lock won't entrust Naruto with a new power, or unlock a new jutsu.

    Releasing the seal
    Let the Nine-Tails loose. Such an idea is preposterous and insane, but it's also exactly what Minato had in mind. It's what the key is there for – it's also there to tighten the lock if they must, but it's real purpose is so that one day Naruto can unlock it.

    And in doing so, he's going to complete 'that jutsu'. Something that in concept is already known about to the ninja world.

    If you were thinking this was about releasing Naruto from the Nine-Tails so they can seal it in a teapot and Naruto can escape the doomed battle to control the Nine-Tails, then you were wrong. Doing that would be breaking out, keeping the mingled chakra but not doing something new… not doing something incredible.

    What Naruto has to do is master the beast inside him: master the Nine-Tails. And that is 'that jutsu'.


    Spoiler untuk The Training :
    The Training

    Jiraiya has told Naruto about this, and he's already trained to train him. When he warned Naruto not to use 'that jutsu', what was he talking about? What training did he embark Naruto upon?

    Tampering with the Shishou Seal
    Jiraiya told Naruto, between Part I and Part II, that the Nine-Tails is a dangerous power that threatens to take control of him. He told him that a jinchuuriki must master the beast inside them, instead of letting it master them.

    We know that Jiraiya had the sealing toad twist the shishou seal a little, Naruto lost control and went four-tails, nearly killing Jiraiya. Let's ask the question – why was Jiraiya tampering with the shishou seal? What does it do? What's the purpose of the shishou seal?

    Shishou means elephant. That said, read this:

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/12/

    "It's set up so some chakra of the Nine-Tails slips out from between the elephant seals and combines with the kid's chakra…"

    Jiraiya was trying to speed up the process by which the Nine-Tails' chakra flows into Naruto's body, to 'train' him towards handling the final step – mastering the Nine-Tails completely.

    Naruto, I know you know but… Don't use that jutsu
    I know that part of this theory doesn't quite sound strong, and that's the implication Jiraiya made that Naruto could use that jutsu if he wanted. That's the only reason to believe that these two 'that jutsu' are different.

    Jiraiya has told Naruto about what he might be able to do with the Nine-Tails, or at least hinted at it. When he tampered with the shishou seal, he had most likely told Naruto that he was going to train him to better control the Nine-Tails. He could very well have introduced it as a jutsu to get his attention.

    I maintain that when Jiraiya said "Don't use that jutsu" he was talking about intentionally drawing on the Nine-Tails. Naruto is subconsciously holding the Nine-Tails back all the time, and it's consciously letting the Nine-Tails through – something which I suspect Jiraiya has helped him learn how to do – that he's banned from doing.

    Naruto knows how to switch the Nine-Tails on now, but 'switching it on' is the first 'that jutsu' that Jiraiya banned. The 'that jutsu' Jiraiya mentioned much later to the sealing toad is the final goal of that training – mastering the Nine-Tails entirely.

    The future for Naruto
    With Akatsuki after Naruto, his future's very uncertain. Will he get caught? That's not the place of this thread to guess. But what we do know, or should strongly suspect, is that he's eventually going to open the lock and release the seal on the Nine-Tails. That's what keys are for, and that's why we see into Naruto's mind and see the Nine-Tails physically behind bars. It's foreshadowing the day Naruto steps into his mind intentionally and opens the door.


    Spoiler untuk Uchiha Madara – The Final Villain :
    Uchiha Madara – The Final Villain

    Madara is after something, and it's more complicated than just the Nine-Tails or just Sasuke. It involves both.

    Why do we know that Madara is the final villain?

    Naruto and Sasuke's Reunion
    The two of them have been apart for a long time now, but there's plenty of foreshadowing that they'll end up back on the same side. We might be at Sasuke's darkest chapter right now, but it's not that long ago since he thought of Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi while at the point of death. It's not long since he saw the Great Naruto Bridge and missed his friend.

    With the two of them back on the same side, they need an opponent threatening enough to both of them: someone who matters to both of them.

    The only option: Madara
    …That man is Madara, and no-one else. Madara's manipulating Sasuke, just as I think he manipulated Itachi – Madara has been playing Xanatos Roulette from day one. When the lies that surround the Uchiha's story are finally cleared, Sasuke will only have one enemy left, and that's Madara.

    And Madara is the summoner of the Nine-Tails, the one who forced Minato, Naruto's father, to give his life for his village. Madara's the reason why Iruka was an orphan. Madara's the enemy of the Senju, the enemy of the Hokage and the enemy of Konoha. Madara's the man who took Sasuke and drew him fully into a life of hatred. He's Naruto's final enemy.

    Naruto's final power-up is only needed for one man
    …And you know who that is.

    "He's not the type to do things without reason, you see… Minato know of something of grave importance, and if because of that something he chose to entrust the Nine-Tails to his own son…"

    The sealing toad wasn't sure why Naruto would need to complete 'that jutsu'. He knew that such unimaginable power was too much, to the point of being unnecessary if it was even possible. Jiraiya knew about Akatsuki, he had an idea what he was going up against in Pain, but he made no mention of needing 'that jutsu' for them.

    Naruto doesn't. Naruto will step above the core of Akatsuki with Sage mode – if tenuously enough to make it a good story. That sort of power is something else entirely, and it's something Minato realised, 15 years ago, was needed to stop the one man who could do the impossible and summon the Nine-Tails.

    Madara.


    Spoiler untuk Lastword :
    Last Word

    There are two plots in action: Madara's, and Minato's. Madara is dangerous and he's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. His style involves deceit, lies and manipulation. Pain, and Sasuke, are pieces to be played. He's yet to show his true face – he's yet to need to, and the chances are he has no intention to until it's supposed to be too late.

    But on the day he died Minato knew something of Madara's plan, and he set in motion the breeze that would become a hurricane that would stop Madara fifteen years later.


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    bah gw inggris ga beres ne...
    menarik spoiler diatas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by krusszz View Post
    sekedar info dan pengetahuan tentang naruto....post ini sepenuh nya gw copy dari narutofan(credit to Hœnir)...dan sorry gw ga translate..abis nya kepanjangan..here we go

    Spoiler untuk Introduction of the Key :

    Sealing Toad: Jiraiya! What the hell do you think you're doing, bringing me out here? You know quite well about Naruto's key.
    Jiraiya: Oh, I'm not planning on more training. Certain circumstances have me wanting you to stay out here for the time being.
    Sealing Toad: Stay out, you say? What's going on?
    Jiraiya: I'll be fighting a slightly tough opponent, so…
    Sealing Toad: Heh… someone so strong that you need to let me get away beforehand?
    Jiraiya: This is just in case… but anyway, I need to be stamping the storage release order now.

    Jiraiya: Alright!
    Sealing Toad: And how long will you be?
    Jiraiya: I shouldn't be too long… But just in case something happens to me, store yourself within Naruto.
    Sealing Toad: !! …What the heck are you saying?! It's my belly that has the key matching Naruto's hakke seal drawn on it! And with each year the Fourth's seal weakens! This key was left so that the seal could be reinforced should the need present itself! How could you think of putting such an important key on the very safe it matches…!!
    Jiraiya: Nonetheless, that key was left behind by Minato himself… At some point, it should become Naruto's.
    Sealing Toad: He isn't ready yet! Surely you haven't forgotten what happened before when you convinced me to twist the Shishou seal just a bit… Because I can't imagine you have!

    Jiraiya: No, I haven't… but Minato's choice to entrust the key's jutsu design is, for me… A clear sign that he intended Naruto to one day complete that jutsu.
    Sealing Toad: But does Naruto have any need for that in the first place? He isn't even capable of controlling the Nine-Tail's chakra! From just opening the seal a *****, Naruto's chakra was pushed aside, the Nine-Tail's chakra gushed out, and Naruto was taken over by it. Speaking of the Fourth's intentions, it's safe to say that opening the seal more and causing Naruto to fully become the Nine-Tails would be strictly against them!
    Jiraiya: Minato only sealed the Nine-Tails' yin chakra using the shiki fuujin. The very reason Minato went to the trouble of splitting the Nine-Tails' chakra into two, only sealing the yang chakra into Naruto, was so that he could leave it for Naruto. Still, why would one seal the Nine-Tails' chakra in his very own child?

    Sealing Toad: Who knows? Perhaps Naruto happened to be his most or only viable option for the jutsu… Or if not, surely wanting to leave power behind for one's child is the very definition of parental love.
    Jiraiya: I was Minato's master, so I know him quite well…
    Sealing Toad: ?
    Jiraiya: He's not the type to do things without reason, you see… Minato know of something of grave importance, and if because of that something he chose to entrust the Nine-Tails to his own son…
    Sealing Toad: …You're just thinking too deep.

    Jiraiya: It's said that the Nine-Tails was a naturally occuring disaster that just happened to strike Konoha… But recently I've begun to doubt whether that truly is the case…
    Sealing Toad: Huh?
    Jiraiya: I'm certain that it was the result of a very intentional summoning…
    Sealing Toad: Are you crazy?! The Nine-Tails is an age-old natural disaster that suddenly appears from nowhere when human malice collects and festers! Besides, no one could possibly exist capable of summoning something such as the Nine-Tails!
    Jiraiya: …No… There was one, just one…
    Sealing Toad: ?
    Jiraiya: …
    Sealing Toad: …Who?
    Jiraiya: … Founder of the Uchiha clan… Uchiha Madara


    Spoiler untuk The Key's :




    Gentleman, what do keys do?
    …Keys unlock things?

    The Key's Design

    The key is a part of Minato's jutsu to seal the Nine-Tails' chakra within Naruto. Minato's jutsu is more than a sealing – the Nine-Tails is not sealed inside Naruto like Shukaku was sealed into a teapot. The seal is designed to let the Nine-Tails' chakra flow out between the four elephant (shishou) seals.

    What does this mean? It means two things, and they're very different.

    The Nine-Tails' chakra is mingling with Naruto's
    This is a gradual process which is, as time passes, turning Naruto into one of the most powerful men alive. He is safely absorbing the Nine-Tails' chakra into himself, and making it his own. His massive chakra is at least partially because of this.

    The seal isn't entirely stable, and the Nine-Tails can 'break loose'
    When Naruto loses his temperance he seems less able to control the seal. The obvious conclusion here is that the seal isn't perfect – it's not holding back the Nine-Tails entirely. We know it's weakening over time, and from when Naruto was about 12 it got to the point that the Nine-Tails could 'get out' partially. Sarutobi was worried that there was a one in a million chance of the Nine-Tails breaking out completely.

    That the Nine-Tails breaks loose when Naruto loses his temperance can only mean one thing, of course: Naruto is playing some part in holding the Nine-Tails back. It's not just the seal doing its job alone; Naruto is holding the Nine-Tails back all the time.

    The balance
    The seal is weakening, but it can be strengthened again using the key. Note that the sealing toad adds "should the need present itself". If the seal is weakening and the key can strengthen it, then why not use the key already? Why not use it now? Why not use it when he's 12, and again when he's 13…? Because it's to be used "should the need present itself".

    The seal weakening is actually part of the equilibrium Minato has tried to set up. It might be inevitable, but it's also quite intentional.

    Over time, the Nine-Tails' chakra is mingling with Naruto's, making him stronger. Naruto himself has some part in holding back the Nine-Tails as the seal weakens – hence the Nine-Tails' influence taking over sometimes when Naruto loses it. Naruto is becoming stronger and the part he must play in holding back the Nine-Tails is increasing.

    This is the equilibrium that was set up. The seal is supposed to weaken – perhaps Minato couldn't make one that didn't, but he knew what he was doing when he made it this way.
    __________________




    Spoiler untuk That Jutsu :
    Minato's choice to entrust the key's jutsu design is, for me… A clear sign that he intended Naruto to one day complete that jutsu.

    That Jutsu

    Listen carefully to Jiraiya, because he knows something that you don't. He knows that "that jutsu" isn't specific to Naruto. It's nothing to do with his move set or his skills: most importantly, it's a jutsu that existed, in concept, before Naruto was born. Minato planned the design of the seal and the key with this in mind. He wanted Naruto to complete a jutsu – a jutsu legendary enough to be spoken of in this context just as 'that' jutsu.

    What that jutsu isn't
    It's not hiraishin. It's not some legendary killing technique invented by the gods or any silly thing like that. We know that the jutsu in question has everything to do with the Nine-Tails and the design of the key. We know that the jutsu requires the key to complete. Minato didn't lock some godly technique inside an object and also make it the key to the Nine-Tails' seal.

    There's only one thing that keys do. They open things. One thing in particular, actually, and we know what this is.

    The balance can't last
    Minato probably knew this just as well as we know this, when we look at Naruto in Part II. He's struggling with the Nine-Tails. He's getting to the point now that if he tries to pull out some of the Nine-Tails' chakra through the gap in the seal (not the chakra mingling with him gradually), he's under serious risk of losing it and the Nine-Tails taking over.

    Even with Naruto growing and the Nine-Tails' chakra mingling with his, he's still losing control over the seal. Should it come to it, the seal can be strengthened: the key can tighten the lock.

    But that's not what the key's for, as we should expect. Tightening the lock won't entrust Naruto with a new power, or unlock a new jutsu.

    Releasing the seal
    Let the Nine-Tails loose. Such an idea is preposterous and insane, but it's also exactly what Minato had in mind. It's what the key is there for – it's also there to tighten the lock if they must, but it's real purpose is so that one day Naruto can unlock it.

    And in doing so, he's going to complete 'that jutsu'. Something that in concept is already known about to the ninja world.

    If you were thinking this was about releasing Naruto from the Nine-Tails so they can seal it in a teapot and Naruto can escape the doomed battle to control the Nine-Tails, then you were wrong. Doing that would be breaking out, keeping the mingled chakra but not doing something new… not doing something incredible.

    What Naruto has to do is master the beast inside him: master the Nine-Tails. And that is 'that jutsu'.


    Spoiler untuk The Training :
    The Training

    Jiraiya has told Naruto about this, and he's already trained to train him. When he warned Naruto not to use 'that jutsu', what was he talking about? What training did he embark Naruto upon?

    Tampering with the Shishou Seal
    Jiraiya told Naruto, between Part I and Part II, that the Nine-Tails is a dangerous power that threatens to take control of him. He told him that a jinchuuriki must master the beast inside them, instead of letting it master them.

    We know that Jiraiya had the sealing toad twist the shishou seal a little, Naruto lost control and went four-tails, nearly killing Jiraiya. Let's ask the question – why was Jiraiya tampering with the shishou seal? What does it do? What's the purpose of the shishou seal?

    Shishou means elephant. That said, read this:

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/91/12/

    "It's set up so some chakra of the Nine-Tails slips out from between the elephant seals and combines with the kid's chakra…"

    Jiraiya was trying to speed up the process by which the Nine-Tails' chakra flows into Naruto's body, to 'train' him towards handling the final step – mastering the Nine-Tails completely.

    Naruto, I know you know but… Don't use that jutsu
    I know that part of this theory doesn't quite sound strong, and that's the implication Jiraiya made that Naruto could use that jutsu if he wanted. That's the only reason to believe that these two 'that jutsu' are different.

    Jiraiya has told Naruto about what he might be able to do with the Nine-Tails, or at least hinted at it. When he tampered with the shishou seal, he had most likely told Naruto that he was going to train him to better control the Nine-Tails. He could very well have introduced it as a jutsu to get his attention.

    I maintain that when Jiraiya said "Don't use that jutsu" he was talking about intentionally drawing on the Nine-Tails. Naruto is subconsciously holding the Nine-Tails back all the time, and it's consciously letting the Nine-Tails through – something which I suspect Jiraiya has helped him learn how to do – that he's banned from doing.

    Naruto knows how to switch the Nine-Tails on now, but 'switching it on' is the first 'that jutsu' that Jiraiya banned. The 'that jutsu' Jiraiya mentioned much later to the sealing toad is the final goal of that training – mastering the Nine-Tails entirely.

    The future for Naruto
    With Akatsuki after Naruto, his future's very uncertain. Will he get caught? That's not the place of this thread to guess. But what we do know, or should strongly suspect, is that he's eventually going to open the lock and release the seal on the Nine-Tails. That's what keys are for, and that's why we see into Naruto's mind and see the Nine-Tails physically behind bars. It's foreshadowing the day Naruto steps into his mind intentionally and opens the door.


    Spoiler untuk Uchiha Madara – The Final Villain :
    Uchiha Madara – The Final Villain

    Madara is after something, and it's more complicated than just the Nine-Tails or just Sasuke. It involves both.

    Why do we know that Madara is the final villain?

    Naruto and Sasuke's Reunion
    The two of them have been apart for a long time now, but there's plenty of foreshadowing that they'll end up back on the same side. We might be at Sasuke's darkest chapter right now, but it's not that long ago since he thought of Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi while at the point of death. It's not long since he saw the Great Naruto Bridge and missed his friend.

    With the two of them back on the same side, they need an opponent threatening enough to both of them: someone who matters to both of them.

    The only option: Madara
    …That man is Madara, and no-one else. Madara's manipulating Sasuke, just as I think he manipulated Itachi – Madara has been playing Xanatos Roulette from day one. When the lies that surround the Uchiha's story are finally cleared, Sasuke will only have one enemy left, and that's Madara.

    And Madara is the summoner of the Nine-Tails, the one who forced Minato, Naruto's father, to give his life for his village. Madara's the reason why Iruka was an orphan. Madara's the enemy of the Senju, the enemy of the Hokage and the enemy of Konoha. Madara's the man who took Sasuke and drew him fully into a life of hatred. He's Naruto's final enemy.

    Naruto's final power-up is only needed for one man
    …And you know who that is.

    "He's not the type to do things without reason, you see… Minato know of something of grave importance, and if because of that something he chose to entrust the Nine-Tails to his own son…"

    The sealing toad wasn't sure why Naruto would need to complete 'that jutsu'. He knew that such unimaginable power was too much, to the point of being unnecessary if it was even possible. Jiraiya knew about Akatsuki, he had an idea what he was going up against in Pain, but he made no mention of needing 'that jutsu' for them.

    Naruto doesn't. Naruto will step above the core of Akatsuki with Sage mode – if tenuously enough to make it a good story. That sort of power is something else entirely, and it's something Minato realised, 15 years ago, was needed to stop the one man who could do the impossible and summon the Nine-Tails.

    Madara.


    Spoiler untuk Lastword :
    Last Word

    There are two plots in action: Madara's, and Minato's. Madara is dangerous and he's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. His style involves deceit, lies and manipulation. Pain, and Sasuke, are pieces to be played. He's yet to show his true face – he's yet to need to, and the chances are he has no intention to until it's supposed to be too late.

    But on the day he died Minato knew something of Madara's plan, and he set in motion the breeze that would become a hurricane that would stop Madara fifteen years later.


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    ahh males ngebacanyaT_T panjang bener kalo menurut gw sih pribadi hokage itu nyegel kyubi ke naruto karena faktor waktu dan keadaan saat keaadaan genting seperti itu apa lg keadaan kota rusak parah ngak mungkin untuk mencari anak yg br lahir untuk disegel y satu2nya yg memungkinkan adalah naruto gw rasa bukan berarti ngak sayang ama anaknya sendiri tp hokage 4 ada rencana kedepan supaya anaknya ini bisa jd pelindung konoha yg bisa di handalkan mungkin dgn kyubi disampingnya hokage 4 percaya naruto bisa jd hokage yg kuat dan hebat dapat melindungi konoha seperti yg ia lakukan

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    yg di bahas di spoiler bukan knp naruto yg di pilih...tp masterplan minato untuk masa depan naruto, konoha dan juga madara

    klo masalah naruto yg di pilih di logika in aja juga udah jelas

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    Quote Originally Posted by vindrezt View Post
    ada yg bisa ngejelasin kenapa hokage ke empat nyegel kyubi ke anaknya sendiri?trus apa makna perkataan jiraiya tentang kyubi sebelum jiraiya mati?
    cuman mau jelasin yg ini aja kok om kruss bukan yg di spoiler just opinion^^

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    tobi temenya kakashi yang waktu masih kecil ya ?namanya obito<klo salah>namanya hampir mirip , cuman punya sharingan 1 pula sama kayak kakashi

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    Hokage keempat keknya dewa tp lifespannya pendek. Klo panjang bisa lain tu cerita naruto.

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    @true_thunder
    bukannya obito udh mati?
    si tobi kan madara mana mungkin nyasar ke obito

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    Quote Originally Posted by True_Thunder View Post
    tobi temenya kakashi yang waktu masih kecil ya ?namanya obito<klo salah>namanya hampir mirip , cuman punya sharingan 1 pula sama kayak kakashi
    tettoottt anda salah bung!!
    si Obito tu udah mate.. mata satunya udah ancur kena batu gede..
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