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15-03-09, 23:30
[SasorI]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iAmRock

troll dibunuh nya susah gmn? kurang jelas nih, jadi kalau pake life steal dibunuhnya susah gitu?

coba situasinya begini..
hero lo main ganker,, mobile trus2an
si troll gk pake lifesteal awal2.. dia dibunuhnya asli gampang bgt.. kalo dia misalnya pake dominator.. dia bisa sambil juggling + creeping.. colong hero kalo lagi situasinya tepat..
pt dominator dimenit 10an troll rampage kejar hero bener2 perih kalo sendirian.. berdua jg bisa mati kalo lagi gk ada skill..
karena gk mungkin skill selalu ada.. misal lagi gank temennya.. trollnya dateng trus rampage dilawan2in kan bisa?

di late game jg kalo gk ada lifesteal jg bisa mati cepet.. gitu loh maksud gw
tapi tetep aja lifesteal ya sama aja kaya orb yg lain menurut gw.. gk perlu dilebih2kan

Quote:

Originally Posted by heroindistribute

Dude
if u don't like LIFESTEAL
then don't buy any LIFESTEAL...
Lifesteal dilebih2kan? Ga juga...
malah kalo ga ORB EFFECT GG!!
Campurin Razor with MoM + Mjollnir = WTF??
17% life steal + Berserk + 200 Chain Lightning every 1.5 sec??

I dun really giv a F***in care if u like life steal or not LOL
It's up to ppl...if most ppl like Lifesteal then no Problem for me...I dun see any problem too if u like other Orb Effects....

Troll Warlord yg all time meelee pasti bli Vlads n that ain't orb effect....
Of course, if u dun have high damage n don't buy LIFESTEAL!
Hav u seen Traxex with Domi?? HP full dari merah dalam 3 detik, TARRASQUE AJA KALAH!!!!

Satanic:25% from damage
Let say Jahra with 120 attack damage n 1.0 sec attack cooldown
It is equal to 30/sec!!!
trus Satanic sndiri bisa diaktifin tambah 15% dan 25 damage lagi!!
compare that with Vanguard or Tarrasque...WTF??

Pros of LIFESTEAL!
+In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
+In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
+In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

Compare Magina with no Vlads n Magina with Vlads
Compare Jahra with Domi n Jahra with Deso...which one can kill 3 heroes?
Jahra has BASH!!!Santai aja,musuh ga kmana2 kok...LOL
Why don't u enjoy d game n no need to rush?5 detik lumayan tapi like kk Matriach said
Jahra will die in the next 4 sec by other heroes..
But with Satanic/Domi he will OWN them! In 10-20 sec??

try Mortred with Domi @ late game
skali 1200 kluar diatas...Mandi DARAH kyk Bloodseeker aja!!
15% x 1200 = 180 HP HEAL! In just one sec!!WTF??
Compared to Tarrasque, u need 100 x 180 = 18000 max HP to compete with that!
Even PUDGE can't reach that number easily but Mortred, low in Str, has HIGH DAMAGE...
can reach that number in just 1 DOMI
Sorry dude, I'm in a bad mood today...Excuse me, let me chill for a while..

gw sangat setuju dgn ini.. :top:
16-03-09, 03:31
parcomz

iya juga seh. lifesteal di awal-awal doang sangat berguna, tapi klo dah diakhir game klo mainnya lama. pasti ga terlalu berguna. kecuali hero2 yang damagena gede. mungkin berguna jg http://tinyurl.com/c6xce6 http://tinyurl.com/bcgcq7 :D
16-03-09, 08:14
harrybladder

Quote:

Originally Posted by heroindistribute

Dude
if u don't like LIFESTEAL
then don't buy any LIFESTEAL...
Lifesteal dilebih2kan? Ga juga...
malah kalo ga ORB EFFECT GG!!
Campurin Razor with MoM + Mjollnir = WTF??
17% life steal + Berserk + 200 Chain Lightning every 1.5 sec??

I dun really giv a F***in care if u like life steal or not LOL
It's up to ppl...if most ppl like Lifesteal then no Problem for me...I dun see any problem too if u like other Orb Effects....

Troll Warlord yg all time meelee pasti bli Vlads n that ain't orb effect....
Of course, if u dun have high damage n don't buy LIFESTEAL!
Hav u seen Traxex with Domi?? HP full dari merah dalam 3 detik, TARRASQUE AJA KALAH!!!!

Satanic:25% from damage
Let say Jahra with 120 attack damage n 1.0 sec attack cooldown
It is equal to 30/sec!!!
trus Satanic sndiri bisa diaktifin tambah 15% dan 25 damage lagi!!
compare that with Vanguard or Tarrasque...WTF??

Pros of LIFESTEAL!
+In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
+In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
+In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

Compare Magina with no Vlads n Magina with Vlads
Compare Jahra with Domi n Jahra with Deso...which one can kill 3 heroes?
Jahra has BASH!!!Santai aja,musuh ga kmana2 kok...LOL
Why don't u enjoy d game n no need to rush?5 detik lumayan tapi like kk Matriach said
Jahra will die in the next 4 sec by other heroes..
But with Satanic/Domi he will OWN them! In 10-20 sec??

try Mortred with Domi @ late game
skali 1200 kluar diatas...Mandi DARAH kyk Bloodseeker aja!!
15% x 1200 = 180 HP HEAL! In just one sec!!WTF??
Compared to Tarrasque, u need 100 x 180 = 18000 max HP to compete with that!
Even PUDGE can't reach that number easily but Mortred, low in Str, has HIGH DAMAGE...
can reach that number in just 1 DOMI
Sorry dude, I'm in a bad mood today...Excuse me, let me chill for a while..

orang negara mana sih.... (serius, gw pusing bacanya, 1/2 mateng, langsung skip aja walau ada pemikiran yang bagus juga)

buat ts...
biasanya gw bli lifesteal, karena gw merasa kalo hero gw lebih alot aja(walau aslinya juga ngak),
juga buat survival itu bener, dan dengan strategi vladmir, creep bisa lebih tahan lama karena sedot hp terus... jadi bukan kepentingan hero juga..

emang bener lifestil ngak ngebantu ngebunuh dan hanya nyedot saat nyerang aja, jadi 1 alternatif buat yang suka "hp full tanpa balik", beli regen aja.... tarasquee 2 sudah bisa buat ngadepin rosan(enggak juga yah, klo lv 1)
regen pun bisa ngebuat gue jadi merasa hero gue tuh dah kuat(tetep ngak kuat juga sih, hahaha)

semuanya tergantung orang deh... suka2 dgn cara apa aja, sampai luna pun di pakein topeng gila(mask of madnes)

tapi thx lo bwt infonya(ngitung2 damage)
16-03-09, 08:27
heroindistribute

@atas
sorry man gw lagi bad mood kmaren...
skrg udh chill..udh calm...

Lifesteal emang ga bantu ngekill..
tapi bantu supaya lu ga gampang kena kill man!

that's what I'm tryin to say...

trus Lifesteal bisa jadi FOUNTAIN gratis!!Isi HP cepet...

pernah liat Naix kabur HP cuma 20 lalu ke utan, creepingan...
15 detik kmudian HP ijo lagi!!?
16-03-09, 08:47
kitaok12

Vladmir kan gk cuma guna lifestealnya doang, Mana regen, hp regen, + dmg, untuk lifesteal okelah cuman buat melee, tapi sebenarnya pernahkah anda mecoba traxex dengan satanic?
Traxex gk usah balik fountain, modal cuma circlet 2, domi, stout, dari awal game ampe mw late gk bakal balik2 k fountain dh,
Pasti pada mikir deh skill 1 nya drow kan orb?
Nah itulah enaknya, pas dah jadi domi, taro dominya di slot paling bawah kanan, trus klo darah lo penuh tinggal tinggal aktifin thu frost arrownya trus panah2 dah hero lawan, pas darah loh kuning ato merah tipis, frost nya di nonaktifkan, lalu yg kluar kan hanya orb nya domi,
Bagus lah nih dari pada orb item gabung orb item
16-03-09, 09:02
heroindistribute

DUde
that's d point

LIFESTEAL rocks!!
Coba kalo ga Orb,mampus aja...

Tiap Orb itu dibuat Orb supaya ga ke GGan

bayangin Skadi + Domi stack!!
15% life steal + SLOW!!
16-03-09, 09:08
Endl3ss

ehmmm... :psmile:

gw sih setuju ama TS-nya... buat gw mendingan regen daripada lifesteal... loe musti ngehit buat dapet lifesteal (blom klo kena serang juga) klo regen kan diem ditempat aja masi nambah HP-nya... :psmile:

lagian bener kata Siaunen, dicompetitive susah farming (lvl 6 dah rajin ngegank)... ngejar 1 luxury aja paling Mid-Late baru jadi... makanya Void ato Troll di competitive ga pernah dipake jadi carry... kelamaan klo nunggu itemnya jadi dulu... :psmile:

Quote:

Pros of LIFESTEAL!
+In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
+In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
+In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

in Early Simply NO! Tango/Salve can do better... lagian klo 5v5 mana cukup duitnya langsung Mask of Death... paling jadinya Mid kan... :psmile:
16-03-09, 09:34

lifesteal bagus koq asal skill dari hero
16-03-09, 09:35

seperti vampiric aura,absorb hp
16-03-09, 09:42
ouwyeah

yg terlalu melebih-lebih-kan life steal itu sebenarnya TS sendiri...
16-03-09, 11:54
empatin

Quote:

Originally Posted by ouwyeah

yg terlalu melebih-lebih-kan life steal itu sebenarnya TS sendiri...

Hahaha...iy ni. Kayany ts yg nglebih2in. Semua orb effect tu bagus, tp lifesteal banyak dipake soalnya hero ga gampang mati waktu big war. Misalnya jara atau mortred pake:
1. Deso
Musuh cpt mati, lu nya cpt mati juga
2. Sange Yasha
Butuh slow lg war ?
3. Diffusal/Manta
Lumayan bguna, tapi tetep empuk. Kalo musuh ad skil area tao cleave lgsung ktwauan yg asli.

Kelemahan lifesteal yg diblang ts kn : harus nyerang dulu ama harus punya damage & aspd gede. Nah, yg buat dota jg sadar makany dibuat item bkb & item lifesteal punya efek nyerang (damage/aspd).

Kalo cuma dilebih2in ga mungkin banyak dipake.
16-03-09, 14:34
iAmRock

Quote:

Originally Posted by heroindistribute

Dude
if u don't like LIFESTEAL
then don't buy any LIFESTEAL...
Lifesteal dilebih2kan? Ga juga...
malah kalo ga ORB EFFECT GG!!
Campurin Razor with MoM + Mjollnir = WTF??
17% life steal + Berserk + 200 Chain Lightning every 1.5 sec??

I dun really giv a F***in care if u like life steal or not LOL
It's up to ppl...if most ppl like Lifesteal then no Problem for me...I dun see any problem too if u like other Orb Effects....

Troll Warlord yg all time meelee pasti bli Vlads n that ain't orb effect....
Of course, if u dun have high damage n don't buy LIFESTEAL!
Hav u seen Traxex with Domi?? HP full dari merah dalam 3 detik, TARRASQUE AJA KALAH!!!!

Satanic:25% from damage
Let say Jahra with 120 attack damage n 1.0 sec attack cooldown
It is equal to 30/sec!!!
trus Satanic sndiri bisa diaktifin tambah 15% dan 25 damage lagi!!
compare that with Vanguard or Tarrasque...WTF??

Pros of LIFESTEAL!
+In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
+In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
+In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

Compare Magina with no Vlads n Magina with Vlads
Compare Jahra with Domi n Jahra with Deso...which one can kill 3 heroes?
Jahra has BASH!!!Santai aja,musuh ga kmana2 kok...LOL
Why don't u enjoy d game n no need to rush?5 detik lumayan tapi like kk Matriach said
Jahra will die in the next 4 sec by other heroes..
But with Satanic/Domi he will OWN them! In 10-20 sec??

try Mortred with Domi @ late game
skali 1200 kluar diatas...Mandi DARAH kyk Bloodseeker aja!!
15% x 1200 = 180 HP HEAL! In just one sec!!WTF??
Compared to Tarrasque, u need 100 x 180 = 18000 max HP to compete with that!
Even PUDGE can't reach that number easily but Mortred, low in Str, has HIGH DAMAGE...
can reach that number in just 1 DOMI
Sorry dude, I'm in a bad mood today...Excuse me, let me chill for a while..

okay, bhs inggris neh? ok

first of all, i aint ur dude, dude
kapan sih gw bilang gak suka life steal? lain kali please, baca dulu
lifesteal orb paling GG? nah ini neh gara2 gw buat thread ini, theres no "the" in orb effects, ada baik nya, ada buruk nya

razor+MoM+mjolnir=GG?????
lucu ya, lu tau enggak orb effects doesnt stack?
dan juga razor nyawanya kecil gitu..

troll bli vlad is a waste of money, cuma nambahin sedikit damage sama crappy life steal, mending bli mkb ato buriza dah
trax,troll tadi udah gw bilankin mending taras, nambah nyawa lebh banyak, constant, gak ngeffect orb, lebih murah

magina bli vladmir? nangis gw klo ada org bli ginian, lifesteal nya jelek, lu mana burn juga enggak life steal, damagenya dari base damage dan stats, dan lu tau magina base + stats nya enggak besar2 bgt
again, mending beli item yang nambahin damage dan kill musuh lebih cepet

bentar2 yang troll mati 5 dtk or whatsoever nya, itu pas war ato 1on1?
1on1 itu tergantung hero nya ya
klo lagi war? REMEMBER UR NOT A TANKER, LU ENGGAK MAJU DI DEPAN, ITS NOT UR JOB, UR JOB IS TO DEAL DPS AS MUCH AS U CAN IN A FEW MINUTES/UNTIL U DIE

mortred + life steal itu emang gg, tapi ngerti gak? biar bisa gitu, lu harus FARMING dlu kan? ngerti??? get it?? lu harus punya BKB dlu untuk maju biar enggak di disable kan? nih2 maksud gw

Quote:

Originally Posted by heroindistribute

@atas
sorry man gw lagi bad mood kmaren...
skrg udh chill..udh calm...

Lifesteal emang ga bantu ngekill..
tapi bantu supaya lu ga gampang kena kill man!

that's what I'm tryin to say...

trus Lifesteal bisa jadi FOUNTAIN gratis!!Isi HP cepet...

pernah liat Naix kabur HP cuma 20 lalu ke utan, creepingan...
15 detik kmudian HP ijo lagi!!?

ooh bad mood, ok then

meh, mending gw bunuh org 5 detik dari pada gw dapet damage dan menghisap nawa

naix hape 20? balik ke hutan, 15 dtk penuh? lu ngerti Infest? feast? trus bli life steal? gross overkill

Quote:

Originally Posted by ouwyeah

yg terlalu melebih-lebih-kan life steal itu sebenarnya TS sendiri...

wow, ini sangat lucu loh, so whats the point im cr8ing this thread?

Quote:

Originally Posted by empatin

Hahaha...iy ni. Kayany ts yg nglebih2in. Semua orb effect tu bagus, tp lifesteal banyak dipake soalnya hero ga gampang mati waktu big war. Misalnya jara atau mortred pake:
1. Deso
Musuh cpt mati, lu nya cpt mati juga
2. Sange Yasha
Butuh slow lg war ?
3. Diffusal/Manta
Lumayan bguna, tapi tetep empuk. Kalo musuh ad skil area tao cleave lgsung ktwauan yg asli.

Kelemahan lifesteal yg diblang ts kn : harus nyerang dulu ama harus punya damage & aspd gede. Nah, yg buat dota jg sadar makany dibuat item bkb & item lifesteal punya efek nyerang (damage/aspd).

Kalo cuma dilebih2in ga mungkin banyak dipake.

zz tau dah

gampang mati pas war? bentar2... EMANG NYA LU NGETANK APA?
yang di depan war itu harus tanker, bukan DPS-er, tanker harus jadi initiator dalam war, jadi yang mulai tuh si tank bukan yang mortred, jadi mendingan bli orb lain cepet mati musuh nya, dari pada ngisep nyawa padahal gw yang singkat

dan juga semua orb effect yang ada di DotA

PLEASE INGET SEMUA, gw enggak bilang lifesteal itu gak berguna, hanya di lebih2 kan, malahan banyak bgt yang sering ngestackin vladmir sma life steal lainya..

^_^ Cheers
16-03-09, 15:37
[SasorI]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iAmRock

mortred + life steal itu emang gg, tapi ngerti gak? biar bisa gitu, lu harus FARMING dlu kan? ngerti??? get it?? lu harus punya BKB dlu untuk maju biar enggak di disable kan? nih2 maksud gw

kalo mortrednya beli orb laen jadi ga harus punya bkb ?
sama aja kan.. beli bkb tetep aja..
kan kalo mw beli lifesteal ga harus langsung beli..

lagian kalo bisa nahan sampe mid/late game.. 950+900 jadi dominator..
kalo awal2 enak dilinenya kaya jg kan ntar2nya bisa beli..
kembali lagi kepada situasi dan heronya...
16-03-09, 15:50
Phantom Assassin

ga jg....

itu tergantung stiap heronya... tapi emank kdg ad jg sich org yg selalu aj beli item lifesteal..

misalkan ky hero windrunner, voljin, dll.. kdg ad aj org yg beli domi.. pdahal krg bgs kan...

hero bgz beli item lifesteal : naix, lycan, jahrakal, mortred, dll...

dan ga selalu lifesteal tuh orb....!!! krn masi bnyk lifesteal lainnya yg ga orb..

misalkan : fladmir, skill ulti brood, skill vampiri aura nya skelton king, dll...
16-03-09, 15:57
iAmRock

Quote:

Originally Posted by [SasorI]

kalo mortrednya beli orb laen jadi ga harus punya bkb ?
sama aja kan.. beli bkb tetep aja..
kan kalo mw beli lifesteal ga harus langsung beli..

lagian kalo bisa nahan sampe mid/late game.. 950+900 jadi dominator..
kalo awal2 enak dilinenya kaya jg kan ntar2nya bisa beli..
kembali lagi kepada situasi dan heronya...

astaga, ur missing the point
gini loh, klo lu bli lifesteal, lu harus mengoptimalkan damage dan attack speed kan? dan juga lu harus bli BKB klo musuh lu disabler, klo g ada damage, meskipun life steal nya 100% juga apa gunanya, lu enggak ngedamage musuh
klo g ada attack speed, lu juga susah ngisep nyawa, ngerti kan?
tapi klo mjolnir? cuma butuh attack speed
S&Y sama juga, skadi sih bwt support paling, klo enggak yang butuh slow

awal2? damage lu kecil, lu mo ngisep brp? 10 life steal?
mending gw bli tango dah ato salve biar cepet trus kliatan nambahnya

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