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    Quote Originally Posted by iAmRock View Post
    troll dibunuh nya susah gmn? kurang jelas nih, jadi kalau pake life steal dibunuhnya susah gitu?
    coba situasinya begini..
    hero lo main ganker,, mobile trus2an
    si troll gk pake lifesteal awal2.. dia dibunuhnya asli gampang bgt.. kalo dia misalnya pake dominator.. dia bisa sambil juggling + creeping.. colong hero kalo lagi situasinya tepat..
    pt dominator dimenit 10an troll rampage kejar hero bener2 perih kalo sendirian.. berdua jg bisa mati kalo lagi gk ada skill..
    karena gk mungkin skill selalu ada.. misal lagi gank temennya.. trollnya dateng trus rampage dilawan2in kan bisa?

    di late game jg kalo gk ada lifesteal jg bisa mati cepet.. gitu loh maksud gw
    tapi tetep aja lifesteal ya sama aja kaya orb yg lain menurut gw.. gk perlu dilebih2kan



    Quote Originally Posted by heroindistribute View Post
    Dude
    if u don't like LIFESTEAL
    then don't buy any LIFESTEAL...
    Lifesteal dilebih2kan? Ga juga...
    malah kalo ga ORB EFFECT GG!!
    Campurin Razor with MoM + Mjollnir = WTF??
    17% life steal + Berserk + 200 Chain Lightning every 1.5 sec??

    I dun really giv a F***in care if u like life steal or not LOL
    It's up to ppl...if most ppl like Lifesteal then no Problem for me...I dun see any problem too if u like other Orb Effects....

    Troll Warlord yg all time meelee pasti bli Vlads n that ain't orb effect....
    Of course, if u dun have high damage n don't buy LIFESTEAL!
    Hav u seen Traxex with Domi?? HP full dari merah dalam 3 detik, TARRASQUE AJA KALAH!!!!

    Satanic:25% from damage
    Let say Jahra with 120 attack damage n 1.0 sec attack cooldown
    It is equal to 30/sec!!!
    trus Satanic sndiri bisa diaktifin tambah 15% dan 25 damage lagi!!
    compare that with Vanguard or Tarrasque...WTF??

    Pros of LIFESTEAL!
    +In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
    +In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
    +In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

    Compare Magina with no Vlads n Magina with Vlads
    Compare Jahra with Domi n Jahra with Deso...which one can kill 3 heroes?
    Jahra has BASH!!!Santai aja,musuh ga kmana2 kok...LOL
    Why don't u enjoy d game n no need to rush?5 detik lumayan tapi like kk Matriach said
    Jahra will die in the next 4 sec by other heroes..
    But with Satanic/Domi he will OWN them! In 10-20 sec??

    try Mortred with Domi @ late game
    skali 1200 kluar diatas...Mandi DARAH kyk Bloodseeker aja!!
    15% x 1200 = 180 HP HEAL! In just one sec!!WTF??
    Compared to Tarrasque, u need 100 x 180 = 18000 max HP to compete with that!
    Even PUDGE can't reach that number easily but Mortred, low in Str, has HIGH DAMAGE...
    can reach that number in just 1 DOMI
    Sorry dude, I'm in a bad mood today...Excuse me, let me chill for a while..
    gw sangat setuju dgn ini..
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    iya juga seh. lifesteal di awal-awal doang sangat berguna, tapi klo dah diakhir game klo mainnya lama. pasti ga terlalu berguna. kecuali hero2 yang damagena gede. mungkin berguna jg

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroindistribute View Post
    Dude
    if u don't like LIFESTEAL
    then don't buy any LIFESTEAL...
    Lifesteal dilebih2kan? Ga juga...
    malah kalo ga ORB EFFECT GG!!
    Campurin Razor with MoM + Mjollnir = WTF??
    17% life steal + Berserk + 200 Chain Lightning every 1.5 sec??

    I dun really giv a F***in care if u like life steal or not LOL
    It's up to ppl...if most ppl like Lifesteal then no Problem for me...I dun see any problem too if u like other Orb Effects....

    Troll Warlord yg all time meelee pasti bli Vlads n that ain't orb effect....
    Of course, if u dun have high damage n don't buy LIFESTEAL!
    Hav u seen Traxex with Domi?? HP full dari merah dalam 3 detik, TARRASQUE AJA KALAH!!!!

    Satanic:25% from damage
    Let say Jahra with 120 attack damage n 1.0 sec attack cooldown
    It is equal to 30/sec!!!
    trus Satanic sndiri bisa diaktifin tambah 15% dan 25 damage lagi!!
    compare that with Vanguard or Tarrasque...WTF??

    Pros of LIFESTEAL!
    +In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
    +In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
    +In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

    Compare Magina with no Vlads n Magina with Vlads
    Compare Jahra with Domi n Jahra with Deso...which one can kill 3 heroes?
    Jahra has BASH!!!Santai aja,musuh ga kmana2 kok...LOL
    Why don't u enjoy d game n no need to rush?5 detik lumayan tapi like kk Matriach said
    Jahra will die in the next 4 sec by other heroes..
    But with Satanic/Domi he will OWN them! In 10-20 sec??

    try Mortred with Domi @ late game
    skali 1200 kluar diatas...Mandi DARAH kyk Bloodseeker aja!!
    15% x 1200 = 180 HP HEAL! In just one sec!!WTF??
    Compared to Tarrasque, u need 100 x 180 = 18000 max HP to compete with that!
    Even PUDGE can't reach that number easily but Mortred, low in Str, has HIGH DAMAGE...
    can reach that number in just 1 DOMI
    Sorry dude, I'm in a bad mood today...Excuse me, let me chill for a while..
    orang negara mana sih.... (serius, gw pusing bacanya, 1/2 mateng, langsung skip aja walau ada pemikiran yang bagus juga)


    buat ts...
    biasanya gw bli lifesteal, karena gw merasa kalo hero gw lebih alot aja(walau aslinya juga ngak),
    juga buat survival itu bener, dan dengan strategi vladmir, creep bisa lebih tahan lama karena sedot hp terus... jadi bukan kepentingan hero juga..

    emang bener lifestil ngak ngebantu ngebunuh dan hanya nyedot saat nyerang aja, jadi 1 alternatif buat yang suka "hp full tanpa balik", beli regen aja.... tarasquee 2 sudah bisa buat ngadepin rosan(enggak juga yah, klo lv 1)
    regen pun bisa ngebuat gue jadi merasa hero gue tuh dah kuat(tetep ngak kuat juga sih, hahaha)

    semuanya tergantung orang deh... suka2 dgn cara apa aja, sampai luna pun di pakein topeng gila(mask of madnes)

    tapi thx lo bwt infonya(ngitung2 damage)
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    @atas
    sorry man gw lagi bad mood kmaren...
    skrg udh chill..udh calm...

    Lifesteal emang ga bantu ngekill..
    tapi bantu supaya lu ga gampang kena kill man!

    that's what I'm tryin to say...

    trus Lifesteal bisa jadi FOUNTAIN gratis!!Isi HP cepet...

    pernah liat Naix kabur HP cuma 20 lalu ke utan, creepingan...
    15 detik kmudian HP ijo lagi!!?

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    Vladmir kan gk cuma guna lifestealnya doang, Mana regen, hp regen, + dmg, untuk lifesteal okelah cuman buat melee, tapi sebenarnya pernahkah anda mecoba traxex dengan satanic?
    Traxex gk usah balik fountain, modal cuma circlet 2, domi, stout, dari awal game ampe mw late gk bakal balik2 k fountain dh,
    Pasti pada mikir deh skill 1 nya drow kan orb?
    Nah itulah enaknya, pas dah jadi domi, taro dominya di slot paling bawah kanan, trus klo darah lo penuh tinggal tinggal aktifin thu frost arrownya trus panah2 dah hero lawan, pas darah loh kuning ato merah tipis, frost nya di nonaktifkan, lalu yg kluar kan hanya orb nya domi,
    Bagus lah nih dari pada orb item gabung orb item
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    DUde
    that's d point

    LIFESTEAL rocks!!
    Coba kalo ga Orb,mampus aja...

    Tiap Orb itu dibuat Orb supaya ga ke GGan

    bayangin Skadi + Domi stack!!
    15% life steal + SLOW!!

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    ehmmm... smile:

    gw sih setuju ama TS-nya... buat gw mendingan regen daripada lifesteal... loe musti ngehit buat dapet lifesteal (blom klo kena serang juga) klo regen kan diem ditempat aja masi nambah HP-nya... smile:

    lagian bener kata Siaunen, dicompetitive susah farming (lvl 6 dah rajin ngegank)... ngejar 1 luxury aja paling Mid-Late baru jadi... makanya Void ato Troll di competitive ga pernah dipake jadi carry... kelamaan klo nunggu itemnya jadi dulu... smile:

    Pros of LIFESTEAL!
    +In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
    +In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
    +In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...
    in Early Simply NO! Tango/Salve can do better... lagian klo 5v5 mana cukup duitnya langsung Mask of Death... paling jadinya Mid kan... smile:
    Last edited by Endl3ss; 16-03-09 at 11:19.


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    lifesteal bagus koq asal skill dari hero

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    seperti vampiric aura,absorb hp

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    yg terlalu melebih-lebih-kan life steal itu sebenarnya TS sendiri...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouwyeah View Post
    yg terlalu melebih-lebih-kan life steal itu sebenarnya TS sendiri...
    Hahaha...iy ni. Kayany ts yg nglebih2in. Semua orb effect tu bagus, tp lifesteal banyak dipake soalnya hero ga gampang mati waktu big war. Misalnya jara atau mortred pake:
    1. Deso
    Musuh cpt mati, lu nya cpt mati juga
    2. Sange Yasha
    Butuh slow lg war ?
    3. Diffusal/Manta
    Lumayan bguna, tapi tetep empuk. Kalo musuh ad skil area tao cleave lgsung ktwauan yg asli.

    Kelemahan lifesteal yg diblang ts kn : harus nyerang dulu ama harus punya damage & aspd gede. Nah, yg buat dota jg sadar makany dibuat item bkb & item lifesteal punya efek nyerang (damage/aspd).

    Kalo cuma dilebih2in ga mungkin banyak dipake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heroindistribute View Post
    Dude
    if u don't like LIFESTEAL
    then don't buy any LIFESTEAL...
    Lifesteal dilebih2kan? Ga juga...
    malah kalo ga ORB EFFECT GG!!
    Campurin Razor with MoM + Mjollnir = WTF??
    17% life steal + Berserk + 200 Chain Lightning every 1.5 sec??

    I dun really giv a F***in care if u like life steal or not LOL
    It's up to ppl...if most ppl like Lifesteal then no Problem for me...I dun see any problem too if u like other Orb Effects....

    Troll Warlord yg all time meelee pasti bli Vlads n that ain't orb effect....
    Of course, if u dun have high damage n don't buy LIFESTEAL!
    Hav u seen Traxex with Domi?? HP full dari merah dalam 3 detik, TARRASQUE AJA KALAH!!!!

    Satanic:25% from damage
    Let say Jahra with 120 attack damage n 1.0 sec attack cooldown
    It is equal to 30/sec!!!
    trus Satanic sndiri bisa diaktifin tambah 15% dan 25 damage lagi!!
    compare that with Vanguard or Tarrasque...WTF??

    Pros of LIFESTEAL!
    +In early game, IT ROCKS in JUNGLING...
    +In Mid game, IT ROCKS in SURVIVAL especially Agi n Str heroes
    +In Late game, damage hero2 pada gede...So, LIFESTEAL ROCKS...

    Compare Magina with no Vlads n Magina with Vlads
    Compare Jahra with Domi n Jahra with Deso...which one can kill 3 heroes?
    Jahra has BASH!!!Santai aja,musuh ga kmana2 kok...LOL
    Why don't u enjoy d game n no need to rush?5 detik lumayan tapi like kk Matriach said
    Jahra will die in the next 4 sec by other heroes..
    But with Satanic/Domi he will OWN them! In 10-20 sec??

    try Mortred with Domi @ late game
    skali 1200 kluar diatas...Mandi DARAH kyk Bloodseeker aja!!
    15% x 1200 = 180 HP HEAL! In just one sec!!WTF??
    Compared to Tarrasque, u need 100 x 180 = 18000 max HP to compete with that!
    Even PUDGE can't reach that number easily but Mortred, low in Str, has HIGH DAMAGE...
    can reach that number in just 1 DOMI
    Sorry dude, I'm in a bad mood today...Excuse me, let me chill for a while..
    okay, bhs inggris neh? ok

    first of all, i aint ur dude, dude
    kapan sih gw bilang gak suka life steal? lain kali please, baca dulu
    lifesteal orb paling GG? nah ini neh gara2 gw buat thread ini, theres no "the" in orb effects, ada baik nya, ada buruk nya

    razor+MoM+mjolnir=GG?????
    lucu ya, lu tau enggak orb effects doesnt stack?
    dan juga razor nyawanya kecil gitu..

    troll bli vlad is a waste of money, cuma nambahin sedikit damage sama crappy life steal, mending bli mkb ato buriza dah
    trax,troll tadi udah gw bilankin mending taras, nambah nyawa lebh banyak, constant, gak ngeffect orb, lebih murah

    magina bli vladmir? nangis gw klo ada org bli ginian, lifesteal nya jelek, lu mana burn juga enggak life steal, damagenya dari base damage dan stats, dan lu tau magina base + stats nya enggak besar2 bgt
    again, mending beli item yang nambahin damage dan kill musuh lebih cepet

    bentar2 yang troll mati 5 dtk or whatsoever nya, itu pas war ato 1on1?
    1on1 itu tergantung hero nya ya
    klo lagi war? REMEMBER UR NOT A TANKER, LU ENGGAK MAJU DI DEPAN, ITS NOT UR JOB, UR JOB IS TO DEAL DPS AS MUCH AS U CAN IN A FEW MINUTES/UNTIL U DIE

    mortred + life steal itu emang gg, tapi ngerti gak? biar bisa gitu, lu harus FARMING dlu kan? ngerti??? get it?? lu harus punya BKB dlu untuk maju biar enggak di disable kan? nih2 maksud gw

    Quote Originally Posted by heroindistribute View Post
    @atas
    sorry man gw lagi bad mood kmaren...
    skrg udh chill..udh calm...

    Lifesteal emang ga bantu ngekill..
    tapi bantu supaya lu ga gampang kena kill man!

    that's what I'm tryin to say...

    trus Lifesteal bisa jadi FOUNTAIN gratis!!Isi HP cepet...

    pernah liat Naix kabur HP cuma 20 lalu ke utan, creepingan...
    15 detik kmudian HP ijo lagi!!?
    ooh bad mood, ok then

    meh, mending gw bunuh org 5 detik dari pada gw dapet damage dan menghisap nawa

    naix hape 20? balik ke hutan, 15 dtk penuh? lu ngerti Infest? feast? trus bli life steal? gross overkill

    Quote Originally Posted by ouwyeah View Post
    yg terlalu melebih-lebih-kan life steal itu sebenarnya TS sendiri...
    wow, ini sangat lucu loh, so whats the point im cr8ing this thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by empatin View Post
    Hahaha...iy ni. Kayany ts yg nglebih2in. Semua orb effect tu bagus, tp lifesteal banyak dipake soalnya hero ga gampang mati waktu big war. Misalnya jara atau mortred pake:
    1. Deso
    Musuh cpt mati, lu nya cpt mati juga
    2. Sange Yasha
    Butuh slow lg war ?
    3. Diffusal/Manta
    Lumayan bguna, tapi tetep empuk. Kalo musuh ad skil area tao cleave lgsung ktwauan yg asli.

    Kelemahan lifesteal yg diblang ts kn : harus nyerang dulu ama harus punya damage & aspd gede. Nah, yg buat dota jg sadar makany dibuat item bkb & item lifesteal punya efek nyerang (damage/aspd).

    Kalo cuma dilebih2in ga mungkin banyak dipake.
    zz tau dah

    gampang mati pas war? bentar2... EMANG NYA LU NGETANK APA?
    yang di depan war itu harus tanker, bukan DPS-er, tanker harus jadi initiator dalam war, jadi yang mulai tuh si tank bukan yang mortred, jadi mendingan bli orb lain cepet mati musuh nya, dari pada ngisep nyawa padahal gw yang singkat

    dan juga semua orb effect yang ada di DotA

    PLEASE INGET SEMUA, gw enggak bilang lifesteal itu gak berguna, hanya di lebih2 kan, malahan banyak bgt yang sering ngestackin vladmir sma life steal lainya..

    ^_^ Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by iAmRock View Post
    mortred + life steal itu emang gg, tapi ngerti gak? biar bisa gitu, lu harus FARMING dlu kan? ngerti??? get it?? lu harus punya BKB dlu untuk maju biar enggak di disable kan? nih2 maksud gw
    kalo mortrednya beli orb laen jadi ga harus punya bkb ?
    sama aja kan.. beli bkb tetep aja..
    kan kalo mw beli lifesteal ga harus langsung beli..

    lagian kalo bisa nahan sampe mid/late game.. 950+900 jadi dominator..
    kalo awal2 enak dilinenya kaya jg kan ntar2nya bisa beli..
    kembali lagi kepada situasi dan heronya...
    Last edited by [SasorI]; 16-03-09 at 15:41.
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    ga jg....

    itu tergantung stiap heronya... tapi emank kdg ad jg sich org yg selalu aj beli item lifesteal..

    misalkan ky hero windrunner, voljin, dll.. kdg ad aj org yg beli domi.. pdahal krg bgs kan...

    hero bgz beli item lifesteal : naix, lycan, jahrakal, mortred, dll...

    dan ga selalu lifesteal tuh orb....!!! krn masi bnyk lifesteal lainnya yg ga orb..

    misalkan : fladmir, skill ulti brood, skill vampiri aura nya skelton king, dll...

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    Quote Originally Posted by [SasorI] View Post
    kalo mortrednya beli orb laen jadi ga harus punya bkb ?
    sama aja kan.. beli bkb tetep aja..
    kan kalo mw beli lifesteal ga harus langsung beli..

    lagian kalo bisa nahan sampe mid/late game.. 950+900 jadi dominator..
    kalo awal2 enak dilinenya kaya jg kan ntar2nya bisa beli..
    kembali lagi kepada situasi dan heronya...
    astaga, ur missing the point
    gini loh, klo lu bli lifesteal, lu harus mengoptimalkan damage dan attack speed kan? dan juga lu harus bli BKB klo musuh lu disabler, klo g ada damage, meskipun life steal nya 100% juga apa gunanya, lu enggak ngedamage musuh
    klo g ada attack speed, lu juga susah ngisep nyawa, ngerti kan?
    tapi klo mjolnir? cuma butuh attack speed
    S&Y sama juga, skadi sih bwt support paling, klo enggak yang butuh slow

    awal2? damage lu kecil, lu mo ngisep brp? 10 life steal?
    mending gw bli tango dah ato salve biar cepet trus kliatan nambahnya

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