Pembahasan Damage Hunter part II

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04-02-12, 17:40
bloodyx

Pembahasan Damage Hunter part II

thread ini lanjutan dari thread sebelumnya
http://forum.indogamers.com/showthre...=499175&page=1

Spoiler untuk damage deardevil :

Quote:

Originally Posted by deardevil

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 15 (10 ~ 20)
Weapon Speed = 1,7
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4963
Ranged Damage = 651 (645 ~ 657)

Kondisi:
- menggunakan bow level rendah agar rentang damage menjadi seminimal mungkin
- tidak menggunakan [Hunter's Mark] agar lebih mudah menghitung AP dan berakibat diabaikannya bonus damage dari talent [Marked for Death]
- tidak menggunakan item proc yang menambah damage seperti AP/Agi
- pengambilan sampel [Steady Shot] dilakukan secara tersendiri agar tidak proc [Improved Steady Shot]

Bonus Damage/Critical Damage:
[Mortal Shots] - menambah critical damage bonus 30% untuk ability jarak jauh
[Improved Arcane Shot] - menambah damage Arcane Shot 15%
[Ranged Weapon Spec] - menambah damage serangan jarak jauh 5%
[Barrage] - menambah damage Aimed Shot 12%
[Marked for Death] - menambah critical damage bonus 10% untuk Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, Chimera Shot
[Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] - menambah damage critical 3%

Damage setelah pengurangan Armor = ActualAutoShotDamage / (RangedDamage x 105%) = 420 / (651 x 105%) = 61,44%

Kalkulasi dan Perbandingan

Aktual Damage yang tercatat di Recount akan tertulis dengan format:
[Ability] = Normal Damage (Critical Damage)
Dibawahnya terdapat detail Damage Modifier dan Critical Damage Modifier serta Kalkulasi Damage seharusnya

[Auto Shot] = 420 (866)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 651 x 105% x 61,44% = 420
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 420 x 206% = 865

[Aimed Shot] = 1078 (2666)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedDamage + 408) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (651 + 408) x 117,6% x 61,44% = 765
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 765 x 247,2% = 1892

Spoiler untuk Aimed Shot att pow coeff :

[Aimed Shot] = 1078 (2666)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedDamageNormalized + 408) x DamageMod x ArmorRed
= (15 + 2,55 + (4963/14 x 2,8) + 408) x 117,6% x 64,52%
= (425,55 + 992,6) x 117,6% x 64,52%
= 1076
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1076 x 247,2%
= 2659

[Arcane Shot] = 1492 (3687)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 492) x DamageMod = (4963 x 15% + 492) x 120,75% = 1493
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1493 x 247,2% = 3691

[Chimera Shot] = 1391 (3442)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 125% x DamageMod = 651 x 125% x 105% = 854
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 854 x 247,2% = 2112

Spoiler untuk Chimera Shot normalisasi :

Chimera Normalized = (RangedDamageNormalized x 125%) x DamageMod
= (15 + 2,55 + (4963/14 x 2,8)) x 125% x 105%
= (17,55 + 992,6) x 125% x 105%
= 1325
Critical Damage = 1325 x 247,2%
= 3275

*Coba ditambah damage modifier goib 5%
Chimera AMPM = 1325 x 105%
= 1392
Chimera AMPM Critical = 1392 x 247,2%
= 3439

[Silencing Shot] = 210 (498)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30%) x 103% = 236,9%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 50% x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 651 x 50% x 105% x 61,44% = 210
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 210 x 236,9% = 497

[Steady Shot] = 520 (1279)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10% + 252) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (15 + 2,55 + 4963 x 10% + 252) x 105% x 61,44% = 494
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 494 x 247,2% = 1221

[Wild Quiver Auto Shot] = 547 (1122)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 80% x DamageMod = 651 x 80% x 105% = 547
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 547 x 206% = 1126

Spoiler untuk bukti otentik :

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/8010/huntard.jpg

Kesimpulan
- Damage hunter normal

CMIIW, jika ada dasar dan bukti yang jelas dan bisa dipercaya

Terima kasih

kemudian ini saya coba dgn hunter yg hampir sama stats nya dan menggunakan kondisi yg sama, tapi berbeda jauh damage nya

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 11 (11 ~ 12)
Weapon Speed = 2.5
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4973
Ranged Damage = 948 (947 ~ 949)

Spoiler untuk status hunter :

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8...0412003537.jpg

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Spoiler untuk weapon :

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3...0412004942.jpg

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Kondisi:
- menggunakan bow level rendah agar rentang damage menjadi seminimal mungkin
- tidak menggunakan [Hunter's Mark] agar lebih mudah menghitung AP dan berakibat diabaikannya bonus damage dari talent [Marked for Death]
- tidak menggunakan item proc yang menambah damage seperti AP/Agi
- pengambilan sampel [Steady Shot] dilakukan secara tersendiri agar tidak proc [Improved Steady Shot]

Bonus Damage/Critical Damage:
[Mortal Shots] - menambah critical damage bonus 30% untuk ability jarak jauh
[Improved Arcane Shot] - menambah damage Arcane Shot 15%
[Ranged Weapon Spec] - menambah damage serangan jarak jauh 5%
[Barrage] - menambah damage Aimed Shot 12%
[Marked for Death] - menambah critical damage bonus 10% untuk Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, Chimera Shot
[Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] - menambah damage critical 3%

Armor Reduction Grandmaster Training Dummy = 13083 armor = +/- 46%
Damage setelah armor reduction = 54%
source armor grandmaster training dummy : http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t37584-w...armor_testing/

Kalkulasi dan Perbandingan

Aktual Damage yang tercatat di Recount akan tertulis dengan format:
[Ability] = Normal Damage (Critical Damage)
Dibawahnya terdapat detail Damage Modifier dan Critical Damage Modifier serta Kalkulasi Damage seharusnya

[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 54% = 538
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 538 x 206% = 1108

Spoiler untuk bukti Auto Shot :

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/591...0412003940.jpg

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[Aimed Shot] = 1017 (2512)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedDamage + 408) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (948 + 408) x 117,6% x 54% = 861
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 861 x 247,2% = 2129

Spoiler untuk Aimed Shot att pow coeff :

[Aimed Shot] = 1017 (2512)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedDamageNormalized + 408) x DamageMod x ArmorRed
= (11 + 2,55 + (4973/14 x 2,8) + 408) x 117,6% x 54%
= 1416,15 x 117,6% x 54%
= 899
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 899 x 247,2%
= 2222

Spoiler untuk bukti Aimed Shot :

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9...0412003955.jpg

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[Arcane Shot] = 1493 (3690)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 492) x DamageMod = (4973 x 15% + 492) x 120,75% = 1495
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1495 x 247,2% = 3695

Spoiler untuk bukti Arcane Shot :

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/5...0412003942.jpg

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[Chimera Shot] = 1391 (3439)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 125% x DamageMod = 948 x 125% x 105% = 1245
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1245 x 247,2% = 3078

Spoiler untuk Chimera Shot normalisasi by deardevil :

Chimera Normalized = (RangedDamageNormalized x 125%) x DamageMod
= (11 + 2,55 + (4973/14 x 2,8)) x 125% x 105%
= 1323
Critical Damage = 1323 x 247,2%
= 3271

*Coba ditambah damage modifier goib 5%
Chimera AMPM = 1323 x 105%
= 1389
Chimera AMPM Critical = 1389 x 247,2%
= 3435

Spoiler untuk Chimera Shot by Almater :

[Chimera Shot] = 1391 (3439)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% ) x 103% = 236.9%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedDamage x 125% x DamageMod) + (AP Coeffcient)
= (948 x 125% x 105%) + (4973 x 12.1%)
= 1244.25 + 601.7333
= 1846
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1846 x 236.9% = 4373

Spoiler untuk bukti Chimera Shot :

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/924...0412003953.jpg

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[Silencing Shot] = 210 (498)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30%) x 103% = 236,9%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 50% x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 651 x 50% x 105% x 61,44% = 210
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 210 x 236,9% = 497

[Steady Shot] = 488 (1227)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10% + 252) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + 4973 x 10% + 252) x 105% x 54% = 433
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 433 x 247,2% = 1071

Spoiler untuk bukti Steady Shot :

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/940...0412003957.jpg

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[Wild Quiver Auto Shot] = 794 (1636)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 80% x DamageMod = 948 x 80% x 105% = 796
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 796 x 206% = 1640

Spoiler untuk bukti Wild Quiver :

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Pertanyaan yg perlu jawaban :
1. kenapa ranged damage dari deardevil bisa beda jauh dgn ranged damage dari hunter saya sedangkan range attpow nya dan damage bow yg digunakan hampir sama dgn saya??
2. mengenai formula arcane shot dan steady shot dari deardevil

Code:

[Arcane Shot] Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 492) x DamageMod [Steady Shot] Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10% + 252) x DamageMod x ArmorRed

yg ungu.. darimana ya itu?? saya cari2 source nya gk nemu..

Kesimpulan :
1. damage auto shot dan aimed shot sangat over
2. damage chimera normal jika mengikuti perhitungan normalisasi deardevil..
3. untuk damage arcane shot dan steady shot blum bisa diambil kesimpulan sebelum pertanyaan no.2 terjawab..

CMIIW

tolong diskusi dgn bahasa yg enak dibaca.. jgn ada saling menyudutkan..
04-02-12, 17:59
Xav

di link yang kk berikan di page 2 nya ada yang post

" While testing various hunter mechanics I had to see how armor values have changed.

For the level 83 'boss' dummy in Ironforge a value of 11900 armor seems to match (tested naked, untalented with a fixed damage ranged weapon, fine light crossbow), providing the armor formulas have not changed.

I did not remember to copy over my warrior so I am unable to test it with a true fixed damage ability."

ini quote dari shandara Hunter yang buat spread sheet hunter .

Di bagian bawah malah banyak yang post kalo armor berdasar hasil test adalah 10643

dimana kalau armor = 11900
berarti armor = 43 %
sehingga perhitungan auto shot =
[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 57% = 567
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 567 x 206% = 1168

kalau armor = 10643
berarti armor = 41 %

[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 59% = 587
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 587 x 206% = 1209
04-02-12, 18:35
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

di link yang kk berikan di page 2 nya ada yang post

" While testing various hunter mechanics I had to see how armor values have changed.

For the level 83 'boss' dummy in Ironforge a value of 11900 armor seems to match (tested naked, untalented with a fixed damage ranged weapon, fine light crossbow), providing the armor formulas have not changed.

I did not remember to copy over my warrior so I am unable to test it with a true fixed damage ability."

ini quote dari shandara Hunter yang buat spread sheet hunter .

Di bagian bawah malah banyak yang post kalo armor berdasar hasil test adalah 10643

dimana kalau armor = 11900
berarti armor = 43 %
sehingga perhitungan auto shot =
[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 57% = 567
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 567 x 206% = 1168

kalau armor = 10643
berarti armor = 41 %

[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 59% = 587
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 587 x 206% = 1209

itu yg heroic training dummy, yg dipake disini kan grandmaster training dummy
04-02-12, 18:43
Xav

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

itu yg heroic training dummy, yg dipake disini kan grandmaster training dummy

Malah lebih aneh lagi dong ....
kalo yang dipake Grandmaster berarti armor nya lebih rendah lagi dong ...

FYI = Heroic training dummy level 83
Grandmaster training dummy level 80
04-02-12, 19:09
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

Malah lebih aneh lagi dong ....
kalo yang dipake Grandmaster berarti armor nya lebih rendah lagi dong ...

FYI = Heroic training dummy level 83
Grandmaster training dummy level 80

memang tampak nya armor grandmaster training dummy lebi gede drpd heroic nya...

bisa diliat disini
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=...ps-comparisons

Quote:

Originally Posted by dps

Feral Druid

First Rotation:
Mangle -> shred to 4-5 CP's -> Savage Roar

Second Rotation:
Mangle -> shred to 4-5 CP's -> Rip

Note: Tiger's fury was used every cooldown (30 seconds), feral faerie fire was kept on the target. Was buffed with mark of the wild only.

Level 80 non-elite training dummy:
DPS Range: 1300-1400
Spike DPS (using cooldowns): 1500-1600
Highest crits: 6-7k
Level 80 elite boss training dummy:
DPS Range: 1200-1300
Spike DPS (using cooldowns): 1400-1500
Highest Crits: 5-6k

Retribution Paladin

Rotation:
(Seal of the Martyr)
Crusader Strike + Divine Storm each Cooldown
Judgement of Wisdom every 15 seconds (to keep mana up)

Note: Was buffed with blessing of might only.

Level 80 non-elite training dummy:
DPS Range: 1200-1300
Spike DPS (using cooldowns): 1500~
DPS after mana expended: 1000-1100
Highest crits: 5.5k~
Level 80 elite boss training dummy:
DPS Range: 1100-1200
Spike DPS (using cooldowns): 1400~
DPS after mana expended: 900-1000
Highest crits: 4-5k

Unholy Death Knight

Rotation (cycle 1):
Icy Touch -> Plague Strike -> Blood Boil -> Blood Boil -> Scourge Strike

Rotation (cycle 2):
Scourge Strike -> Scourge Strike -> Scourge Strike

Note: unholy blight was activated once per minute (1 minute hidden cooldown, likely a bug), rune strike was used whenever it became active, and excess runic power was dumped with death coil. I'm unsure whether recount was counting my ghoul's damage as part of my own - since this is the first time I've used the addon. Horn of Winter was kept active, as was bone armor - No other buffs used.

Level 80 non-elite training dummy:
DPS Range: 1300-1400
Highest crits: 3-4k
Level 80 elite boss training dummy:
DPS Range: 1250-1350
Highest crits: 3-4k

edit: eh salah gw.. cari source lagi dah
04-02-12, 19:15
Ez-shaman

d nerf banget yak hunter skg.. haha masa ke priest chimera 3k doang.. shot kedua 1k.. kalo duel itu sama temen saya.. tp d BG gw pake buff berserking ke priest yg equipnya saya lihat sama namun resilnya lbh besar.. (tmen gw human priest, yg horde nya undead jadi pake medal) shot saya jadi 9.7k shot kedua 5k.. bener 30% yah itu berserking? atau chimera ga eror tapi itu berserking yg eror? haha bingung deh.. dah ga minat maen hunter damage 1k gt :D
04-02-12, 19:15
Xav

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

memang tampak nya armor grandmaster training dummy lebi gede drpd heroic nya...

bisa diliat disini
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=...ps-comparisons

dari quote anda

terlihat DMG ke Elite bos training dummy (HEROIC) itu lebih KECIL daripada DMG ke non elite level 80 training dummy (grandmaster)

Ini membuktikan armor Elite training dummy LEBIH BESAR daripada grandmaster training dummy
04-02-12, 19:41
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

dari quote anda

terlihat DMG ke Elite bos training dummy (HEROIC) itu lebih KECIL daripada DMG ke non elite level 80 training dummy (grandmaster)

Ini membuktikan armor Elite training dummy LEBIH BESAR daripada grandmaster training dummy

oh jd gini, liat baik2 post dari shandara

Quote:

Originally Posted by shandara

To resurrect this thread.

While testing various hunter mechanics I had to see how armor values have changed.

For the level 83 'boss' dummy in Ironforge a value of 11900 armor seems to match (tested naked, untalented with a fixed damage ranged weapon, fine light crossbow), providing the armor formulas have not changed.

I did not remember to copy over my warrior so I am unable to test it with a true fixed damage ability.

EDIT:
So it seems likely it is in fact the announced 10% cut: 13083/1,1 = 11893

EDIT#2:
A second round of testing was unable to verify my previous number.

nah yg merah... dia gk bisa verify lagi armor nya...

trus knp saya pake yg 13083?
liat aja yg di post 1 nya

Quote:

Originally Posted by haz

EDIT 2, Dec 5th, 2008: The testing was only done on Raid bosses- reports have come in for regular bosses that show a different armor value. For now, I'm going to put the armor in for bosses that have been tested.

uda bener2 di test ampe dapat besar armor nya..
04-02-12, 19:41
MonyetCeria

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ez-shaman

d nerf banget yak hunter skg.. haha masa ke priest chimera 3k doang.. shot kedua 1k.. kalo duel itu sama temen saya.. tp d BG gw pake buff berserking ke priest yg equipnya saya lihat sama namun resilnya lbh besar.. (tmen gw human priest, yg horde nya undead jadi pake medal) shot saya jadi 9.7k shot kedua 5k.. bener 30% yah itu berserking? atau chimera ga eror tapi itu berserking yg eror? haha bingung deh.. dah ga minat maen hunter damage 1k gt :D

itu kalo berserk proc bisa ke pump jadi 9.7k shot nya ?
04-02-12, 19:49
Ez-shaman

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonyetCeria

itu kalo berserk proc bisa ke pump jadi 9.7k shot nya ?

betul sekali bos.. berasa ga +30% damage tp 100% lebih.. cobain aja haha.. dan gw yakin itu mansion 8k gara2 berserk.. :D
04-02-12, 19:54
Xav

itu har last edited nya 2008, nih ada post selanjut nya, May 2009

"Bosses don't have 13,083 armor anymore.

Instead, they have 10,643 armor. The implications are:

1. This is a straight-up buff for any group that does not have access to the Major and Minor Armor Debuff categories

2. Any group that does have those debuffs will see no change, as the armor reduction is the same given that the armor debuffs are now a percentage value rather than a flat amount.

This post in the Combat Ratings thread clearly shows Sanctum Sentries (Auriaya's adds) in Ulduar having 10,643 armor."

itu si shandalara gak bisa confirm angka armor nya sepertinya karena malah armor sebenernya bukan 11 893
tapi 10643..

di search aja lagi di bagian forum laen juga tampaknya banyak yang menggunakan 10643.
cari aja di bagian arpen .

ex : http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t37804-w...ry_compendium/ , bagian armor values and damage scaling
04-02-12, 20:08
OscarNgakak

now this is what i call Google Engineering
04-02-12, 20:25
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

itu har last edited nya 2008, nih ada post selanjut nya, May 2009

"Bosses don't have 13,083 armor anymore.

Instead, they have 10,643 armor. The implications are:

1. This is a straight-up buff for any group that does not have access to the Major and Minor Armor Debuff categories

2. Any group that does have those debuffs will see no change, as the armor reduction is the same given that the armor debuffs are now a percentage value rather than a flat amount.

This post in the Combat Ratings thread clearly shows Sanctum Sentries (Auriaya's adds) in Ulduar having 10,643 armor."

itu si shandalara gak bisa confirm angka armor nya sepertinya karena malah armor sebenernya bukan 11 893
tapi 10643..

di search aja lagi di bagian forum laen juga tampaknya banyak yang menggunakan 10643.
cari aja di bagian arpen .

ex : http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t37804-w...ry_compendium/ , bagian armor values and damage scaling

oh sip saya update dulu... perhitungan di atas...

saya juga baru nemu formula buat skill2 hunter yg lainnya.. biar sekalian saya update
04-02-12, 21:01
bloodyx

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 11 (11 ~ 12)
Weapon Speed = 2.5
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4973
Ranged Damage = 948 (947 ~ 949)

Spoiler untuk status hunter :

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/8...0412003537.jpg

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Spoiler untuk weapon :

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3...0412004942.jpg

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Kondisi:
- menggunakan bow level rendah agar rentang damage menjadi seminimal mungkin
- tidak menggunakan [Hunter's Mark] agar lebih mudah menghitung AP dan berakibat diabaikannya bonus damage dari talent [Marked for Death]
- tidak menggunakan item proc yang menambah damage seperti AP/Agi
- pengambilan sampel [Steady Shot] dilakukan secara tersendiri agar tidak proc [Improved Steady Shot]

Bonus Damage/Critical Damage:
[Mortal Shots] - menambah critical damage bonus 30% untuk ability jarak jauh
[Improved Arcane Shot] - menambah damage Arcane Shot 15%
[Ranged Weapon Spec] - menambah damage serangan jarak jauh 5%
[Barrage] - menambah damage Aimed Shot 12%
[Marked for Death] - menambah critical damage bonus 10% untuk Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, Chimera Shot
[Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] - menambah damage critical 3%

Armor Reduction Grandmaster Training Dummy = 10643 armor = +/- 41%
Damage setelah armor reduction = 59%
source armor grandmaster training dummy : http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t37584-w...armor_testing/

Kalkulasi dan Perbandingan

Aktual Damage yang tercatat di Recount akan tertulis dengan format:
[Ability] = Normal Damage (Critical Damage)
Dibawahnya terdapat detail Damage Modifier dan Critical Damage Modifier serta Kalkulasi Damage seharusnya

[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 59% = 587
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 587 x 206% = 1209

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[Aimed Shot] = 1017 (2512)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (Weapon Damage + Ammo Damage + 20% of your ranged attack power) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + (20% * 4973)) x 117,6% x 59% = 700
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 700 x 247,2% = 1730

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[Arcane Shot] = 1493 (3690)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 428) x DamageMod = (4973 x 15% + 428) x 120,75% = 1418
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1418 x 247,2% = 3505

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[Chimera Shot] = 1391 (3439)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = Weapon Damage x 125% x DamageMod = 11 x 125% x 105% = 15
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 15 x 247,2% = 37

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[Steady Shot] = 488 (1227)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10%) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + 4973 x 10%) x 105% x 59% = 317
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 317 x 247,2% = 784

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[Wild Quiver Auto Shot] = 794 (1636)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 80% x DamageMod = 948 x 80% x 105% = 796
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 796 x 206% = 1640

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kesimpulan :
1. damage auto shot ama wild quiver normal
2. damage aimed shot, arcane shot, chimera shot dan steady shot over... terutama yg chimera shot... dari rumusnya aja 125% dari weapon damage, bukan dari ranged damage...
3. khusus chimera, tampaknya di ampm rumus nya 125% dari ranged damage, padahal seharus nya 125% dari weapon damage

source : http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t43271-h...pdate_pending/

content nomor 2..
04-02-12, 23:40
Almater

...
err....itu itung2an skill yg make weapon damage....
.......
klo skill damage-nya lebih kecil dari auto shot, gak perlu ada skill dong artinya....
damage lebih kecil, ada cooldown ato cast time pula, mending auto shot trus klo dmgnya segitu kan?
:)

anyway, gw rasa sih yg dimaksud Garby di post source itu "ranged weapon damage" yg dasarnya dr tampilan pada status menu bukan "base weapon damage" yang dasarnya dr tampilan pada tooltip menu...kecuali buat yg steady shot.
jd, menurut gw sih itungan dr deardevil kurang lebih ud bener...

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

Pertanyaan yg perlu jawaban :
1. kenapa ranged damage dari deardevil bisa beda jauh dgn ranged damage dari hunter saya sedangkan range attpow nya dan damage bow yg digunakan hampir sama dgn saya??
2. mengenai formula arcane shot dan steady shot dari deardevil

Code:

[Arcane Shot] Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 492) x DamageMod [Steady Shot] Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10% + 252) x DamageMod x ArmorRed

yg ungu.. darimana ya itu?? saya cari2 source nya gk nemu..

Jawaban:
1. Klo maksudnya perbedaan itungan, kemungkinan krn 3 hal: ada endaknya perhitungan ammo, ada tidaknya perhitungan normalisasi, perbedaan % damage reduction. Klo maksudnya krn perbedaan pd praktek, kemungkinan krn normalisasi (efek weapon speed), talent dan kondisi

2. yg ungu itu fixed number dr sananya (blizz) yg berubah tergantung dr level skill, klo mo cari sourcenya ud rada susah, krn rata2 ud buat catalysm smua fixed dmg-nya, tp buat arcane shot msh isa diliat di wowiki....

P.S.
Itu itung2an dr gw gak usa dikutip, salah itu....
05-02-12, 02:57
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almater

Jawaban:
1. Klo maksudnya perbedaan itungan, kemungkinan krn 3 hal: ada endaknya perhitungan ammo, ada tidaknya perhitungan normalisasi, perbedaan % damage reduction. Klo maksudnya krn perbedaan pd praktek, kemungkinan krn normalisasi (efek weapon speed), talent dan kondisi

bukan gitu gan... bisa diliat sendiri yg merah.. knp bisa beda begitu ya? bedanya 300..

Spoiler untuk perbandingan damage :

Quote:

Originally Posted by deardevil

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 15 (10 ~ 20)
Weapon Speed = 1,7
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4963
Ranged Damage = 651 (645 ~ 657)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 11 (11 ~ 12)
Weapon Speed = 2.5
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4973
Ranged Damage = 948 (947 ~ 949)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almater

2. yg ungu itu fixed number dr sananya (blizz) yg berubah tergantung dr level skill, klo mo cari sourcenya ud rada susah, krn rata2 ud buat catalysm smua fixed dmg-nya, tp buat arcane shot msh isa diliat di wowiki....

nah itu dia, agak ribet nyarinya... kalo gitu ntar saya bikin perhitungan yg make ungu2 itu..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almater

...
err....itu itung2an skill yg make weapon damage....
.......
klo skill damage-nya lebih kecil dari auto shot, gak perlu ada skill dong artinya....
damage lebih kecil, ada cooldown ato cast time pula, mending auto shot trus klo dmgnya segitu kan?
:)

klo chimera shot nanti kan ada + 40% dari damage sting.. nah disitu kayak nya baru kerasa damage nya.. klo yg steady shot kan ada + y damage to daze target.. haha.. lagian ini perhitungan nya dgn bow damage 11, klo pake wrathful high kan base damage nya 700 - 1000... jadi naik dong damage nya...

tapi ntar saya hitung2 lagi...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almater

anyway, gw rasa sih yg dimaksud Garby di post source itu "ranged weapon damage" yg dasarnya dr tampilan pada status menu bukan "base weapon damage" yang dasarnya dr tampilan pada tooltip menu...kecuali buat yg steady shot.
jd, menurut gw sih itungan dr deardevil kurang lebih ud bener...

oh iya bener, saya barusan nemu

Code:

Chimera Shot Effect #1: Normalized Weapon Damage Effect #2 : Weapon % Dmg Value: 125

sekalian dah saya hitung2 lagi semua..
05-02-12, 10:24
Elisirispain

cma kasi saran
cba ngetes damage jgn pake equip tlanjang klo tabard ama baju dalam aj gpp
ehm trus itu bownya lvl kcil kn ok, arrow nya jg? manteb da, tu aj da saran wa
05-02-12, 10:53
Almater

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

bukan gitu gan... bisa diliat sendiri yg merah.. knp bisa beda begitu ya? bedanya 300..

klo itu sih krn normalisasi...
lebih tepatnya dibilang karena gak adanya normalisasi pada autoshot. Jd, berlaku aturan makin cepet weapon makin kecil damagenya. makin pelan weapon makin gede damagenya...

klo mo liat contoh itungan2nya:

Spoiler untuk itung2an :

gw ambil aja buat base damagenya didasarin pd minimal damage dr weapon

klo dr yg deardevil punya:
Weapon Damage = 15 (10 ~ 20), gw ambil disini 10, biar sama ama min damage
Weapon Speed = 1,7
Ammo Damage = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4963
Ranged Damage = 651 (645 ~ 657)

Rumus buat non-normalized attack:
WeaponDamage + AmmoDamage + (AP/14 x WeaponSpeed)
10 + 2.55 + (4963 / 14 x 1.7) = 615
ditambahin damage mod dr talent:
615 x 105% = 645

klo dr yg bloodyx punya:
Weapon Damage = 11 (11 ~ 12)
Weapon Speed = 2.5
Ammo Damage = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4973
Ranged Damage = 948 (947 ~ 949)

Rumus buat non-normalized attack:
WeaponDamage + AmmoDamage + (AP/14 x WeaponSpeed)
11 + 2.55 + (4973 / 14 x 2.5) = 902
ditambahin damage mod dr talent:
902 x 105% = 947

Keliatan kan bedanya?

Klo buat gw sih, itung2an skill yg ada masih isa dibilang sesuai ama retail punya. Walau msh blom ada kejelasan dmg mod yg nyebabkan kenaikan 5 - 10% dmg pd itungan, tp krn ukuran overpower lebih ke arah kenaikan 50-100% plus2, jd gw anggap permasalahannya dominan dr faktor lain...

tp klo msh mau itung2 lg silakan, nanti gw ikut konfirm
:)
05-02-12, 13:21
bloodyx

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 11 (11 ~ 12)
Weapon Speed = 2.5
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4973
Ranged Damage = 948 (947 ~ 949)

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Kondisi:
- menggunakan bow level rendah agar rentang damage menjadi seminimal mungkin
- tidak menggunakan [Hunter's Mark] agar lebih mudah menghitung AP dan berakibat diabaikannya bonus damage dari talent [Marked for Death]
- tidak menggunakan item proc yang menambah damage seperti AP/Agi
- pengambilan sampel [Steady Shot] dilakukan secara tersendiri agar tidak proc [Improved Steady Shot]

Bonus Damage/Critical Damage:
[Mortal Shots] - menambah critical damage bonus 30% untuk ability jarak jauh
[Improved Arcane Shot] - menambah damage Arcane Shot 15%
[Ranged Weapon Spec] - menambah damage serangan jarak jauh 5%
[Barrage] - menambah damage Aimed Shot 12%
[Marked for Death] - menambah critical damage bonus 10% untuk Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, Chimera Shot
[Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] - menambah damage critical 3%

Armor Reduction Grandmaster Training Dummy = 10643 armor = +/- 41%
Damage setelah armor reduction = 59%
source armor grandmaster training dummy : http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t37584-w...armor_testing/

Kalkulasi dan Perbandingan

Aktual Damage yang tercatat di Recount akan tertulis dengan format:
[Ability] = Normal Damage (Critical Damage)
Dibawahnya terdapat detail Damage Modifier dan Critical Damage Modifier serta Kalkulasi Damage seharusnya

[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 59% = 587
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 587 x 206% = 1209

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[Aimed Shot] = 1017 (2512)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (Weapon Damage + Ammo Damage + 20% of your ranged attack power) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + (2.8 * 4973 / 14)) x 117,6% x 59% = 700
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 700 x 247,2% = 1730

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[Arcane Shot] = 1493 (3690)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 428) x DamageMod = (4973 x 15% + 428) x 120,75% = 1418
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1418 x 247,2% = 3505

Spoiler untuk Arcane Shot by deardevil :

[Arcane Shot] = 1493 (3690)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 492) x DamageMod = (4973 x 15% + 492) x 120,75% = 1494
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1494 x 247,2% = 3693

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[Chimera Shot] = 1391 (3439)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = Weapon Damage x 125% x DamageMod = (11 + 2,55 + (2.8 * 4973 / 14)) x 125% x 105% = 1323
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1323 x 247,2% = 3270

Spoiler untuk bukti Chimera Shot :

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[Steady Shot] = 488 (1227)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10%) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + 4973 x 10%) x 105% x 59% = 317
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 317 x 247,2% = 784

Spoiler untuk Arcane Shot by deardevil :

[Steady Shot] = 488 (1227)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10% + 252) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + 4973 x 10% + 252) x 105% x 59% = 472
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 472 x 247,2% = 1167

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[Wild Quiver Auto Shot] = 794 (1636)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 80% x DamageMod = 948 x 80% x 105% = 796
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 796 x 206% = 1640

Spoiler untuk bukti Wild Quiver :

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kesimpulan :
1. damage auto shot ama wild quiver normal
2. damage chimera shot, bisa dibilang normal jika ada penambahan 5% damage
3. arcane shot dan steady shot normal jika mengikuti formula deardevil
4. damage aimed shot over
06-02-12, 01:44
ndutzie

yang penting itu Damage Chimera Shootnya.. gila aja kalo BG wsg isinya 6hunter 3palhol 1War Protek.. Chimera 8k 8k. modar cocotmu 3dtk..
ya mungkin ada benernya yg di bicarakan sodara Ez-Shaman..
1 lg masukan.. Sacred Shilednya Palhol di AMPM terlalu IMBA!! coba sodara2 yang senang arena/bg bisa maen2 ke server sebelah.. pasti beda. di ampm SS palhol bisa tembus kl sama caster doang itu mah or di dispel/purge. @_@
sorry bkn maksud ngebandingin.. tp sebagai masukan aja sama GM baru biar bisa memperhitungkan :)
06-02-12, 04:56
nimblefinger

ada yang dah pernah tes bedanya damage chimera shoot ke orang yang ada serpent sting dari 1 hunter sama yang ada serpent sting dari 3 hunter?
06-02-12, 10:02
vxzr

hmmm tapi kok damage hunter gw ga sesakit yang seperti dilaporkan ya ..
btw ini error dari semua hunter atau cuma segelintir hunter aja ?

dikit OOT : btw spell penetration di AMPM ga jalan yah ?soal ny shaman bisa spam purge .
kalo diluar purge bisa resist tapi disini ga resist .
06-02-12, 12:29
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndutzie

yang penting itu Damage Chimera Shootnya.. gila aja kalo BG wsg isinya 6hunter 3palhol 1War Protek.. Chimera 8k 8k. modar cocotmu 3dtk..
ya mungkin ada benernya yg di bicarakan sodara Ez-Shaman..
1 lg masukan.. Sacred Shilednya Palhol di AMPM terlalu IMBA!! coba sodara2 yang senang arena/bg bisa maen2 ke server sebelah.. pasti beda. di ampm SS palhol bisa tembus kl sama caster doang itu mah or di dispel/purge. @_@
sorry bkn maksud ngebandingin.. tp sebagai masukan aja sama GM baru biar bisa memperhitungkan :)

tampak nya skrg uda bener damage nya... kemaren saya arena ktemu hunter, uda gk sesakit dulu..

klo sacred shield, setau saya itu absorb nya 3k++ (tergantung besar spell power).. ke refresh tiap 6 dtk.. CMIIW

Quote:

Originally Posted by nimblefinger

ada yang dah pernah tes bedanya damage chimera shoot ke orang yang ada serpent sting dari 1 hunter sama yang ada serpent sting dari 3 hunter?

perlu dicoba juga ini... tp kayak nya agak susah buat nge tes nya..

Quote:

Originally Posted by vxzr

hmmm tapi kok damage hunter gw ga sesakit yang seperti dilaporkan ya ..
btw ini error dari semua hunter atau cuma segelintir hunter aja ?

dikit OOT : btw spell penetration di AMPM ga jalan yah ?soal ny shaman bisa spam purge .
kalo diluar purge bisa resist tapi disini ga resist .

setau saya sih dari semua hunter.. soalnya sebelum ada thread dari ndutzie, damage hunter emang gk wajar, WL gw resi 1300 + soul link sekali di rotasi (chimera, aimed, arcane shot) dari hp penuh sisa 1/4... tapi skrg kayak nya uda bener... tinggal damage aimed shot yg masih error mgkn..

spell penet emang error disini..
06-02-12, 13:16
Xav

Terus itu 10643 itu armor Heroic training dummy kan bukan grandmaster training dummy.
Seharusnya Armor grandmaster training dummy lebih kecil dari itu .

Apakah waktu pengetesan pake steady bersamaan dengan aimed ..
jgn2 ada buff steady yang naekin dmg aimed shot.

Soalnya hasil pengetesan bro daredevil itu dmg aimed shot sudah seperti semestinya
06-02-12, 13:20
billal130380

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndutzie

yang penting itu Damage Chimera Shootnya.. gila aja kalo BG wsg isinya 6hunter 3palhol 1War Protek.. Chimera 8k 8k. modar cocotmu 3dtk..
ya mungkin ada benernya yg di bicarakan sodara Ez-Shaman..
1 lg masukan.. Sacred Shilednya Palhol di AMPM terlalu IMBA!! coba sodara2 yang senang arena/bg bisa maen2 ke server sebelah.. pasti beda. di ampm SS palhol bisa tembus kl sama caster doang itu mah or di dispel/purge. @_@
sorry bkn maksud ngebandingin.. tp sebagai masukan aja sama GM baru biar bisa memperhitungkan :)

gak pengen OOT tp sedikit komentar aja ttg sacred shield palhol...
untuk Palhol PVP, semua palhol pasti ambil Divine Guardian level 2 dari talent tree protection, yg mana nambah durasi Sacred Shield nya jadi 60 dtk, tambah kalo proc yg tadinya 6 dtk jadi 12 dtk plus dmg yg di absorb nambah 20%...saya kurang tahu berapa hitung2annya berdasarkan spell power, tp kalo itu SS dari palhol yg spell power nya bisa sampe 3k, saya kira masih masuk akal...mungkin yg kk liat dari server sebelah gak ambil talent divine guardian tsb kali...?? who knows...??
06-02-12, 14:08
Xanvial

Sacred Shield basenya absorb 600 damage, terus ditambah 75% spell power, plus dari talent Divine Guardian 20% dari absorb klo diambil. jadi misal palhol dengan SP 3000 ambil DG, SSnya absorb (600+3000*0.75)*1.2=3420 damage
absorb ini refresh tiap 6 detik sekali
06-02-12, 14:17
letsgoslow

trus ngapain ngomongin paladin di trit ini?

mending bikin drama baru di trit yang baru dong.

nyimak lagi ah.
06-02-12, 15:03
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

Terus itu 10643 itu armor Heroic training dummy kan bukan grandmaster training dummy.
Seharusnya Armor grandmaster training dummy lebih kecil dari itu .

Apakah waktu pengetesan pake steady bersamaan dengan aimed ..
jgn2 ada buff steady yang naekin dmg aimed shot.

Soalnya hasil pengetesan bro daredevil itu dmg aimed shot sudah seperti semestinya

armor heroic training dummy ama grandmaster training dummy sama...
cuman damage reduction nya beda

Code:

For level 80 and raid bosses, this simplifies to: %Reduction for 80 = (Armor / (Armor + 15232.5)) * 100 --> grandmaster --> armor reduct yg keliatan di character panel %Reduction for 83 = (Armor / (Armor + 16635)) * 100 --> heroic source : http://www.wowwiki.com/Damage_reduction

yg merah, buat jaga2 saya ngga ambil talent improved steady shot
06-02-12, 15:29
ndutzie

Quote:

Originally Posted by billal130380

gak pengen OOT tp sedikit komentar aja ttg sacred shield palhol...
untuk Palhol PVP, semua palhol pasti ambil Divine Guardian level 2 dari talent tree protection, yg mana nambah durasi Sacred Shield nya jadi 60 dtk, tambah kalo proc yg tadinya 6 dtk jadi 12 dtk plus dmg yg di absorb nambah 20%...saya kurang tahu berapa hitung2annya berdasarkan spell power, tp kalo itu SS dari palhol yg spell power nya bisa sampe 3k, saya kira masih masuk akal...mungkin yg kk liat dari server sebelah gak ambil talent divine guardian tsb kali...?? who knows...??

talent sama colokan sama equip sama kok bro..
tp memang sepertinya absorb palhol melebihi batas. coba di BG palhol spam SS saja di damage 2rogue ga jebol paling mentok darah 1/2. beda sama disebelah. makanya kalo kalian arena 2v2 pasti paling malz kl ktmu palhol war vs palhol DK, kalo sm2 pro nya slalu draw dgn durasi 45mnt or 1team salah 1 DC hehe
ah masa sih absorb 4k an? sepertinya tidak.. di blender warior aja 3x hit absorb hehe :)

iy chimera spertiny udh normal
06-02-12, 15:48
Xav

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloodyx

armor heroic training dummy ama grandmaster training dummy sama...
cuman damage reduction nya beda

Code:

For level 80 and raid bosses, this simplifies to: %Reduction for 80 = (Armor / (Armor + 15232.5)) * 100 --> grandmaster --> armor reduct yg keliatan di character panel %Reduction for 83 = (Armor / (Armor + 16635)) * 100 --> heroic source : http://www.wowwiki.com/Damage_reduction

yg merah, buat jaga2 saya ngga ambil talent improved steady shot

Soalnya
seperti post anda di awal
dmg anda dan dmg saudara daredevil jauh banget bedanya .
padahal weap dmg , rap , nya mirip ...
dan yang saya tangkap . perbedaan testing anda dan testing saudara daredevil salah satunya (yang lainnya kurang tau ) adalah target yang ditembak (grandmaster training dan heroic training ).

edit :
baru baca lagi sepertinya rumus anda sama rumus bro daredevil beda ..
buat aimed shot .
tolong di verifikasi sumber nya ..
di daredevil ada modifier 408 ,
di anda gak ada modifier 408 ..

modifier ini ada di http://www.wowwiki.com/Aimed_Shot

tambahan
di screen shot saya liat ada pet nya ya hunter nya
ambil talent focused fire gak bang ..
06-02-12, 17:05
bloodyx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xav

Soalnya
seperti post anda di awal
dmg anda dan dmg saudara daredevil jauh banget bedanya .
padahal weap dmg , rap , nya mirip ...
dan yang saya tangkap . perbedaan testing anda dan testing saudara daredevil salah satunya (yang lainnya kurang tau ) adalah target yang ditembak (grandmaster training dan heroic training ).

target nya sama bang grandmaster training

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Originally Posted by Xav

edit :
baru baca lagi sepertinya rumus anda sama rumus bro daredevil beda ..
buat aimed shot .
tolong di verifikasi sumber nya ..
di daredevil ada modifier 408 ,
di anda gak ada modifier 408 ..

modifier ini ada di http://www.wowwiki.com/Aimed_Shot

oh my bad.. saya lupa nambahin nya.. tar saya edit klo saya uda nyampe kosan

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Originally Posted by Xav

tambahan
di screen shot saya liat ada pet nya ya hunter nya
ambil talent focused fire gak bang ..

ngga ambil talent focused fire
06-02-12, 21:09
bloodyx

Data
Target: Grandmaster's Training Dummy (level 80)
Weapon Damage = 11 (11 ~ 12)
Weapon Speed = 2.5
Ammo DPS = 1,5
Ammo Damage = 1,5/1,7 = 2,55
Ranged AP = 4973
Ranged Damage = 948 (947 ~ 949)

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Kondisi:
- menggunakan bow level rendah agar rentang damage menjadi seminimal mungkin
- tidak menggunakan [Hunter's Mark] agar lebih mudah menghitung AP dan berakibat diabaikannya bonus damage dari talent [Marked for Death]
- tidak menggunakan item proc yang menambah damage seperti AP/Agi
- pengambilan sampel [Steady Shot] dilakukan secara tersendiri agar tidak proc [Improved Steady Shot]

Bonus Damage/Critical Damage:
[Mortal Shots] - menambah critical damage bonus 30% untuk ability jarak jauh
[Improved Arcane Shot] - menambah damage Arcane Shot 15%
[Ranged Weapon Spec] - menambah damage serangan jarak jauh 5%
[Barrage] - menambah damage Aimed Shot 12%
[Marked for Death] - menambah critical damage bonus 10% untuk Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, Chimera Shot
[Relentless Earthsiege Diamond] - menambah damage critical 3%

Armor Reduction Grandmaster Training Dummy = 10643 armor = +/- 41%
Damage setelah armor reduction = 59%
source armor grandmaster training dummy : http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t37584-w...armor_testing/

Kalkulasi dan Perbandingan

Aktual Damage yang tercatat di Recount akan tertulis dengan format:
[Ability] = Normal Damage (Critical Damage)
Dibawahnya terdapat detail Damage Modifier dan Critical Damage Modifier serta Kalkulasi Damage seharusnya

[Auto Shot] = 577 (1189)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = Ranged Damage x DamageMod x ArmorRed = 948 x 105% x 59% = 587
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 587 x 206% = 1209

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[Aimed Shot] = 1017 (2512)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 112% = 117,6%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (Weapon Damage + Ammo Damage + 20% of your ranged attack power + 408) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + (2.8 * 4973 / 14) + 408) x 117,6% x 59% = 983
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 983 x 247,2% = 2430

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[Arcane Shot] = 1493 (3690)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 428) x DamageMod = (4973 x 15% + 428) x 120,75% = 1418
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1418 x 247,2% = 3505

Spoiler untuk Arcane Shot by deardevil :

[Arcane Shot] = 1493 (3690)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% x 115% = 120,75%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (RangedAP x 15% + 492) x DamageMod = (4973 x 15% + 492) x 120,75% = 1494
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1494 x 247,2% = 3693

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[Chimera Shot] = 1391 (3439)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = Weapon Damage x 125% x DamageMod = (11 + 2,55 + (2.8 * 4973 / 14)) x 125% x 105% = 1323
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 1323 x 247,2% = 3270

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[Steady Shot] = 488 (1227)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10%) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + 4973 x 10%) x 105% x 59% = 317
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 317 x 247,2% = 784

Spoiler untuk Arcane Shot by deardevil :

[Steady Shot] = 488 (1227)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = (200% + 30% + 10%) x 103% = 247,2%
Kalkulasi Damage = (WeaponDamage + Ammo Damage + RangedAP x 10% + 252) x DamageMod x ArmorRed = (11 + 2,55 + 4973 x 10% + 252) x 105% x 59% = 472
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 472 x 247,2% = 1167

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[Wild Quiver Auto Shot] = 794 (1636)
Damage Modifier = 100% x 105% = 105%
Critical Damage Modifier = 200% x 103% = 206%
Kalkulasi Damage = RangedDamage x 80% x DamageMod = 948 x 80% x 105% = 796
Kalkulasi Critical Damage = 796 x 206% = 1640

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kesimpulan :
1. damage auto shot ama wild quiver normal
2. damage chimera shot, bisa dibilang normal jika ada penambahan 5% damage
3. arcane shot dan steady shot normal jika mengikuti formula deardevil
4. damage aimed shot, bisa dibilang normal jika ada penambahan 3% damage
06-02-12, 22:57
Ez-shaman

oke sip deh kalo udah bener2 balance damage hunter.. haha thanks ya agan2 yg pinter.. ngarep bgt yah damage hunter 277 q sama kyk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBE1G...eature=related
huaaa.. okedeh skali lagi makasi banyak coy yah :D
07-02-12, 05:58
Xanvial

jadi intinya damage hunter di AMPM ga da yg salah?
08-02-12, 02:03
bloodyx

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Originally Posted by Xanvial

jadi intinya damage hunter di AMPM ga da yg salah?

yup tampaknya uda normal skrg..
10-02-12, 08:28
nimblefinger

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10-02-12, 10:44
OscarNgakak

Kalo ngaruh pun, kek nya yg naek bakal di bagian Chimera Shot - Serpent nya...dan dmg dari itu skill emang gak di itung di sini
10-02-12, 15:09
sikhan

oke saatnya bawa pally 5 hunter 5
10-02-12, 15:12
billal130380

wanjirrrrr....1 grup sendiri itu pally ama hunter....:Ngakak2:
10-02-12, 18:38
Unfinished

Thread Closed.

JAdi damage chimera disimpulkan normal.

Ketidaknormalan damage disebabkan oleh hal lain, bukan karena chimera shot nya.